MK3 Golf Diesel Tuning

[JCKST1]

Looking at another option here, Seen a nice cheap MK3 Golf Diesel (Tdi,PD?) i have looked and i believe they are 90bhp?

What sort of mods will i need to get 150+ bhp?
Could i keep the original engine, Chip, Exhaust, FMIC 130/130pd Turbo and mani?

or it is easier cheaper to get a pd150 engine and drop it in with few little mods like a remap? Could i keep the original box?

I have been looking at a few cars up to about £2k as my insurance is £2k on most were as i can pick a good MK3 up for £600, Insurance is only £1200 which would leave me some money spare. Ideally i wouldnt want to spend more than £800 on it but i am flexible.

Thanks

[kiethton]

Don't waste your money, a MK3 golf diesel will always be a MK 3 Golf diesel with all funds spent on it un-recoverable....

Better to keep it standard (insurance will go up substantially if you start modifying it), save the cash and get something better when funds/insurance costs allow

[VolvoT5]

I thought it was MK4 onwards that had PD diesel engines?

Just buy a 130 or 150 tdi model to start off with.... For a young? driver I would say it is likely that insurance for a lower powered car + modifications/remaps will be more than if you just got the faster model to start off with.

Even the 110/115bhp models are quite pokey (for a diesel golf anyway), should get something reasonable for 2k.

[JCKST1]

Yeah I am 19 but stupidly got a DR10, Been getting quotes on 182's which are £2200 and PD130 golfs are £2100.
I just thought the MK3 might be a cheaper alternative, Spent a few hundred and have a reliable sleeper for a couple of years to get my insurance down later on.
Thanks

[VolvoT5]

JCKST1 said:

Yeah I am 19 but stupidly got a DR10, Been getting quotes on 182's which are £2200 and PD130 golfs are £2100.
I just thought the MK3 might be a cheaper alternative, Spent a few hundred and have a reliable sleeper for a couple of years to get my insurance down later on.
Thanks

Modifications will bump up the insurance unless you are planning on not declaring them....

Seriously, driving license for 2 years and you have a DR10 drink drive code? You should be grateful you can still get insurance on anything.

I'm only 26 but I went through the same thing with cars at your age (how old does that sound..).. buying them, spending loads doing stuff to them and then selling for a huge loss. Just buy a nice car and enjoy it for what it is until you are 24+ with a decent NCB and in a position to buy/insure something interesting.

[JCKST1]

I am very lucky to be able to get insured, and for reasonable prices (£2200 for a 182)
MK4 golf would be ideal but for some reason they are a fortune to insure.
Could you recommend and cheap cars (Pref diesel) which are fairly easy to tune? Remap, Bigger turbo/injectors etc?

Thanks

[RizzoTheRat]

Seat Leon is the same underneath as the Golf but generally cheaper to buy, not sure what the insurance's like though. Skoda Fabia VRs might be worth a look too. Loads of VW/Seat/Skoda/Audi diesel tuners out there and a few websites that will give you an idea of the expected power gains. Shark Performance seems to be the one most of the Skoda crowd recommend.

[JCKST1]

Thanks. I have had a look at a few ibiza's etc. Maybe worth looking at the lower powered ones and getting it mapped.

[RizzoTheRat]

Worth reading up on the different engine specs as there are some differences, eg I believe the PD130 can very easily be remapped to similar power as a PD150, but the 110bhp version needs a lot more work. There's a lot of people claiming 170ish bhp out of remapped 130 Fabia VRs

[The Nur]

JCKST1 said:

I am very lucky to be able to get insured, and for reasonable prices (£2200 for a 182)
MK4 golf would be ideal but for some reason they are a fortune to insure.
Could you recommend and cheap cars (Pref diesel) which are fairly easy to tune? Remap, Bigger turbo/injectors etc?

Thanks

I think your problem comes from the fact that you are, in fact, a liability in the eyes of insurers (and some motorists).

Sorry to put it like that but you are. You have a history of drink driving so rather than take the hit and behave yourself you are planning on buying a car to spend money on to get maximum bhp and I very much doubt you would inform your insurance company when you do modify it. If uou are just going to invalidate your insurance anyway you may as well not have any.

FFS you have put a Clio 182 and a mk3 Golf diesel in the same sentence, are you taking the piss? Buy a small, slow hatchback, accept the punishment you have been given for your stupidity and take it like a man. Once you are no longer viewed as a liability in the eyes of the those responsible for insuring motor vehicles and you have learnt some responsibility when on the road maybe then you can consider getting something with a bit of pace. I certainly don't want to share the road with you.

Just sayin'

[greggy50]

Try telling the insurance you plan on adding 50% more power to the engine then see how much your quote is...
Although to be honest anyway it seems fairly obvious from how you are posting you don't plan on telling them anyway which is just fking stupid insurance companies aren't thick you know

[Dactub]

JCKST1 said:

Looking at another option here, Seen a nice cheap MK3 Golf Diesel (Tdi,PD?) i have looked and i believe they are 90bhp?

What sort of mods will i need to get 150+ bhp?
Could i keep the original engine, Chip, Exhaust, FMIC 130/130pd Turbo and mani?

or it is easier cheaper to get a pd150 engine and drop it in with few little mods like a remap? Could i keep the original box?

I have been looking at a few cars up to about £2k as my insurance is £2k on most were as i can pick a good MK3 up for £600, Insurance is only £1200 which would leave me some money spare. Ideally i wouldnt want to spend more than £800 on it but i am flexible.

Thanks

What about a 306 d turbo sport or later hdi group 5 insurance can be modified to the same level as a pd 150 I know got a friend with one. The Ibiza mk4 100 Bhp se is group 5 and can be mapped to 145 Bhp.

[RizzoTheRat]

Dactub said:

What about a 306 d turbo sport or later hdi group 5 insurance can be modified to the same level as a pd 150 I know got a friend with one.

That's a lot of work though, the standard 306 HDI is 90bhp and doesn't have the intercooler they fitted on the more powerful HDIs. To get significant power gains you really need to fit an intercooler.

[Dactub]

RizzoTheRat said:

That's a lot of work though, the standard 306 HDI is 90bhp and doesn't have the intercooler they fitted on the more powerful HDIs. To get significant power gains you really need to fit an intercooler.

Not really a lot of work a universal front mount and pipe work can be had of eBay for 100 pound easy to fit lots of guides on the net. There are a few places who will adjust the pump on the older models and remap the hdi's for not much money.

[JCKST1]

Thanks for the responses, Maybe look in to a 306 D-turbo.

I know I am a liability in the eyes of insurers and most motorists but st happens, I was going through a really bad time when I was 17, I done a lot of stupid things I regret, Drink driving being the worst. I think I am being punished enough by paying £2000+ for 10 months insurance.

I am going to have to keep this car a while to get my NCB up so im not going to go out and buy a 1.2 stter which I wont be happy with just to prove I am a sensible driver, Just because I want to make the car faster doesn't mean I am going to hammer it everywhere, I enjoy spending time/money, working and driving my cars and something like that wouldn't suit me.

I appreciate where your coming from but its something I would never do again and there's thousands of people out there with 2 or more DR10 and worse convictions on there license, You still share the road with them. I didn't come here to get ridiculed for my past I am just looking for some car advice (Still after 2months!) so that i can get something i am going to be happy with.

Thanks again everyone else for the replies.

[Jandywa]

The Nur said:

I think your problem comes from the fact that you are, in fact, a liability in the eyes of insurers (and some motorists).

Sorry to put it like that but you are. You have a history of drink driving so rather than take the hit and behave yourself you are planning on buying a car to spend money on to get maximum bhp and I very much doubt you would inform your insurance company when you do modify it. If uou are just going to invalidate your insurance anyway you may as well not have any.

FFS you have put a Clio 182 and a mk3 Golf diesel in the same sentence, are you taking the piss? Buy a small, slow hatchback, accept the punishment you have been given for your stupidity and take it like a man. Once you are no longer viewed as a liability in the eyes of the those responsible for insuring motor vehicles and you have learnt some responsibility when on the road maybe then you can consider getting something with a bit of pace. I certainly don't want to share the road with you.

Just sayin'

bit of a +1 on this

[J4CKO]

To be fair, a Mk3 Golf doesn't seem so bad after a few drinks...

Suprised you can get insured for two grand, thought young lads with clean licences were paying that much ?

[AlpineWhite]

OP,

Just remember that driving is a privilege, not a right. Whatever you get, if you modify it, make sure you declare it. Smacks of not learning your lesson otherwise, to my mind at least.

Edit to add - I'd rather a 306 than a mk3 golf.

[HustleRussell]

Brand new 17 year old drivers can't get sub-£2k insurance as far as I can tell. I thought things were bad when I started driving in 2007...

[JCKST1]

Luckily I live in quite a good area and its graded A and it has dropped the insurance quite a lot. I paid £1900 when I was 17 on an ST.
What ever I do to my car I WILL be tell insurance no questions asked, I have more than learnt my lesson.