Dangerous juvenile pedestrians..
Discussion
Recent survey of 11-14 year olds
A survey of young people in schools in inner cities, released in Road Safety Week, found extensive proof of risk taking when crossing roads.
Of the 4,000 inner-city kids questioned, shockingly, 25% of children admitted to having been pushed into the road by a friend, 49% say they cross the road while texting and yet only 13% of children always wear reflectors and 15% wear cycle helmets.
These findings demonstrate the fact that more concerted effort needs to be made by the government through money for local authorities to educate children when they go to secondary school that road safety is not ‘just for babies’ but for older children too. Deaths and injuries of children peak in this older age range.
Apart from the message to the idiot children, it must also go out to us drivers. Areas around schools or residential streets must be treated with caution. 30mph is at times too much...
You'd never forgive yourself, would you?
Street
>>> Edited by Streetcop on Sunday 15th August 17:29
A survey of young people in schools in inner cities, released in Road Safety Week, found extensive proof of risk taking when crossing roads.
Of the 4,000 inner-city kids questioned, shockingly, 25% of children admitted to having been pushed into the road by a friend, 49% say they cross the road while texting and yet only 13% of children always wear reflectors and 15% wear cycle helmets.
These findings demonstrate the fact that more concerted effort needs to be made by the government through money for local authorities to educate children when they go to secondary school that road safety is not ‘just for babies’ but for older children too. Deaths and injuries of children peak in this older age range.
Apart from the message to the idiot children, it must also go out to us drivers. Areas around schools or residential streets must be treated with caution. 30mph is at times too much...
You'd never forgive yourself, would you?
Street
>>> Edited by Streetcop on Sunday 15th August 17:29
I suppose there's only so much can be done..
I have friends who are School Bobbies and Youth Services officers who go into Educational facilities and teach road safety.
Problems are...kids are kids and do daft things...In addition, alcohol and adults is also a major contributory factor in pedestrial accidents and that's a whole nest of vipers in itself.
Not enough sense out there, I'm afraid...(I sound like my Father now..
)
Street
I have friends who are School Bobbies and Youth Services officers who go into Educational facilities and teach road safety.
Problems are...kids are kids and do daft things...In addition, alcohol and adults is also a major contributory factor in pedestrial accidents and that's a whole nest of vipers in itself.
Not enough sense out there, I'm afraid...(I sound like my Father now..
) Street
Streetcop said:
Problems are...kids are kids and do daft things...
Street
Disagree.
When I was a sprog, we had the message hammered home by govt, schools and parents. We were also caned in schools lived in fear of teachers.
Thus we learned disciplne.
As far back as I can remember, I was wary of roads.
Now, of course, they have better ways to educate children.............
I would hazard a guess and say that 90% of pedestrian injuries/ fatalities are a result of their own negligence and/ or stupidity.
Not looking
Drunk
Drugged
Chasing a football
Chasing a school mate
Running from the BiB
Misjudging a car's speed (not necessarily over the limit)
However, what really gets me going is parents with push chairs or prams. Why must the pram appear on the road first? Why don't the parents pull the thing, so that if there is an incident, they get hurt rather than watch their little child being ripped from their hands and hurled down the road by the car that they never saw.
Drivers have a responsibilty to keep a look out for pedestrians, but surely pedestrians have an even greater responsibilty, that of self preservation, although it is evident that this is severely lacking in some cases. The evil car driver is now responsible for all collisions, whoever is at fault.
I feel that the BiB could do their bit here too. While we know that us drivers need pulling over when we do something illegal or dumb, how about an occasional bollocking for pedestrians? Really put the fear of God into them, especially from a Traffic Policeman, with Dayglo jacket, flashing lights and a full on verbal torrent of invective, just to let the idiot know that they are not immune.
Please.
Not looking
Drunk
Drugged
Chasing a football
Chasing a school mate
Running from the BiB
Misjudging a car's speed (not necessarily over the limit)
However, what really gets me going is parents with push chairs or prams. Why must the pram appear on the road first? Why don't the parents pull the thing, so that if there is an incident, they get hurt rather than watch their little child being ripped from their hands and hurled down the road by the car that they never saw.
Drivers have a responsibilty to keep a look out for pedestrians, but surely pedestrians have an even greater responsibilty, that of self preservation, although it is evident that this is severely lacking in some cases. The evil car driver is now responsible for all collisions, whoever is at fault.
I feel that the BiB could do their bit here too. While we know that us drivers need pulling over when we do something illegal or dumb, how about an occasional bollocking for pedestrians? Really put the fear of God into them, especially from a Traffic Policeman, with Dayglo jacket, flashing lights and a full on verbal torrent of invective, just to let the idiot know that they are not immune.
Please.
mybrainhurts said:
I would hazard a guess and say that 90% of pedestrian injuries/ fatalities are a result of their own negligence and/ or stupidity.
No need to hazard a guess....it's about 84% from several official sources.
I bet there are also a few deliberately looking for a minor injury and a bit of "compo".
Steve
Cousin (the teacher) spends fair amount of time/budget of Green Cross and Cycling Proficiency. Incorporates this across curriculum too. So far so good - no "incidents" ..... But then - a fully clued up petrolhead. Entire sixth form apparently anti-scamerati too 
But Swiss fine for jay-walking. Local gendarme is still "at it" back in my home town. Note that Blunderkit did not suggest this as one of his Noo Labia "arrestable offences"
Should have been top of the hit list.....he could make a lot more dosh out of it. Ach! The scrotes would pay 10p per month like the uninsured twazak who killed someone, got fined £700 payabel at £50 per month... (snippet in today's Express - teensiest paragraph )
But Swiss fine for jay-walking. Local gendarme is still "at it" back in my home town. Note that Blunderkit did not suggest this as one of his Noo Labia "arrestable offences"
Should have been top of the hit list.....he could make a lot more dosh out of it. Ach! The scrotes would pay 10p per month like the uninsured twazak who killed someone, got fined £700 payabel at £50 per month... (snippet in today's Express - teensiest paragraph ) towman said:
mad jock said:
I would hazard a guess and say that 90% of pedestrian injuries/ fatalities are a result of their own negligence and/ or stupidity.
No need to hazard a guess....it's about 84% from several official sources.
I bet there are also a few deliberately looking for a minor injury and a bit of "compo".
Steve
good point!
mad jock said:
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I feel that the BiB could do their bit here too. how about an occasional bollocking for pedestrians?
Whenever possible, I will bollock a pedestrian who I see doing something daft. In fact, mere walking into the road etc whilst drunk is usually enough to get them arrested for Drunk and Disorderly....
Street
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You'd never forgive yourself, would you?
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I agree... I'd never forgive myself if I was that cr@p at driving around town that I couldn't slow my car down without locking up the front wheels at such a low speed (or any speed come to that). Good job I have ABS eh?
However, I would like to think I could forgive myself for hitting a child that, without looking/whilst texting/whilst larking about, walked in front of a tonne of German machinery travelling down a ROAD whilst being sensibly driven!
As said before, I had road safety drummed into me from a very young age. Unfortunately, that costs money rather than making it, so the government isn't interested any more.
If people want to take risks with their lives when crossing the road then there should be no complaints when the stupid genes are removed from the gene-pool!
You'd never forgive yourself, would you?
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I agree... I'd never forgive myself if I was that cr@p at driving around town that I couldn't slow my car down without locking up the front wheels at such a low speed (or any speed come to that). Good job I have ABS eh?
However, I would like to think I could forgive myself for hitting a child that, without looking/whilst texting/whilst larking about, walked in front of a tonne of German machinery travelling down a ROAD whilst being sensibly driven!
As said before, I had road safety drummed into me from a very young age. Unfortunately, that costs money rather than making it, so the government isn't interested any more.
If people want to take risks with their lives when crossing the road then there should be no complaints when the stupid genes are removed from the gene-pool!
mad jock said:
I would hazard a guess and say that 90% of pedestrian injuries/ fatalities are a result of their own negligence and/ or stupidity.
Not looking
Drunk
Drugged
Chasing a football
Chasing a school mate
Running from the BiB
Misjudging a car's speed (not necessarily over the limit)
However, what really gets me going is parents with push chairs or prams. Why must the pram appear on the road first? Why don't the parents pull the thing, so that if there is an incident, they get hurt rather than watch their little child being ripped from their hands and hurled down the road by the car that they never saw.
Drivers have a responsibilty to keep a look out for pedestrians, but surely pedestrians have an even greater responsibilty, that of self preservation, although it is evident that this is severely lacking in some cases. The evil car driver is now responsible for all collisions, whoever is at fault.
I feel that the BiB could do their bit here too. While we know that us drivers need pulling over when we do something illegal or dumb, how about an occasional bollocking for pedestrians? Really put the fear of God into them, especially from a Traffic Policeman, with Dayglo jacket, flashing lights and a full on verbal torrent of invective, just to let the idiot know that they are not immune.
Please.
I have long objected to this seemingly popular view that whenever there is a collision between a vehicle and a pedestrian, it is the driver who is at fault. It is primarily the responsibility of the pedestrian to ensure their own safety when they step into the road, but should they fail to do that properly a driver must make all reasonable precautions to avoid a collision, and I expect most of us here work on that basis.
The business about push chairs and prams crossing the kerb line and being put in the firing line first has always intrigued me. I can only assume the parents think that if the pram and child is not swept away from under their nose, then it may be safe to cross the road. It's a bit tough on the youngsters though, you might think the parents would have a bit more concern than that, but seemingly not.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
It's all very good and well until it actually happens..
I've said before, I've had big hairy arsed truckers crying like a baby in the back of my police car following a collision with a child.
We can all talk tough until we are staring at the lifeless body of a young child under our front wheel...
Street
I've said before, I've had big hairy arsed truckers crying like a baby in the back of my police car following a collision with a child.
We can all talk tough until we are staring at the lifeless body of a young child under our front wheel...
Street
It used to be easy enough to get data on stuff like this, but now the scamerati are building their empires it's much harder. When the freedom of information legislation starts up in January 2005 we may get more information again, but until then the recent past shows that pedestrians are their own worst enemy, a total liability.
The West Midlands Road Accident Reviews give figures where typically in a year there are 1300 pedestrian accidents, and in only 13 is vehicle speed to blame, 1%. In the remainder the pedestrian steps or runs into the carriageway recklessly. These reports have phrases like 'it's clear that the biggest problem [in pedestrian accidents] is the pedestrians themselves'
[url]www.ringroad.org.uk/westmidsacc.htm[/url]
Then there's the adult night time pedestrian fatac statistic hinted at by Streetcop, where over 70% are above the drink-drive limit.
As pointed out already it's not politically correct to drive a car, but very pc to be a pedestrian on hard drugs if you take cc Brunstrom at his word.
As to young adults and education, remember that series about bouncers and the in-car interview with a bouncer?
At home, mum says stop, they carry on, nothing happens
At school, teacher says no, they carry on, nothing happens
On the street, plod says no, they carry on, nothing happens (not with you eh Street)
In my club, I say no, they carry on, I deck em, first time they learn no means no
edited to add the WMRAR url
>> Edited by turbobloke on Monday 16th August 10:35
The West Midlands Road Accident Reviews give figures where typically in a year there are 1300 pedestrian accidents, and in only 13 is vehicle speed to blame, 1%. In the remainder the pedestrian steps or runs into the carriageway recklessly. These reports have phrases like 'it's clear that the biggest problem [in pedestrian accidents] is the pedestrians themselves'
[url]www.ringroad.org.uk/westmidsacc.htm[/url]
Then there's the adult night time pedestrian fatac statistic hinted at by Streetcop, where over 70% are above the drink-drive limit.
As pointed out already it's not politically correct to drive a car, but very pc to be a pedestrian on hard drugs if you take cc Brunstrom at his word.
As to young adults and education, remember that series about bouncers and the in-car interview with a bouncer?
At home, mum says stop, they carry on, nothing happens
At school, teacher says no, they carry on, nothing happens
On the street, plod says no, they carry on, nothing happens (not with you eh Street)
In my club, I say no, they carry on, I deck em, first time they learn no means no
edited to add the WMRAR url
>> Edited by turbobloke on Monday 16th August 10:35
Streetcop said:
Whenever possible, I will bollock a pedestrian who I see doing something daft. In fact, mere walking into the road etc whilst drunk is usually enough to get them arrested for Drunk and Disorderly....
Street
What about those arrogant teenagers, Street, that deliberately walk out in front of motorists with a defiant attitude, to force you to slow, and to look big in front of their mates? You said in another thread that there isn't a law against jaywalking in the UK, but isn't there something you could arrest them for and charge them?
Is a bollocking really effective? I would guess the 'bollockee' (don't think that's actually in the English dictionary LOL) just walks off laughing to themeselves in most cases; believing you can't really do anything.
BTW, hope you had a good holiday!
I've put a question in a new thread for you!
Tim
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