860kg 515 bhp V12 and its red

[kste]

Has anyone taken a good look at this? Seems like a nice PH or CH kind of car. Haven't been able to stop thinking about it. Costs about USD 500k but just look at it!
See below for some comments from an owner but turns out the 575 motor is the best option as the wiring and Motec is all set up for either 456/550/575 engine. Norwood have a great name and this is a real cut above any other 'replica' cars.




When Black Horse Racing decided that we wanted a road able/track able recreation of what we believe is the quintessential Ferrari of the late 1960s Le Mans era, we decided on the P4. This car holds a special place in the hearts of Ferrari enthusiasts. There are several P4 replicas made, most with fiberglass bodies and powered by non-Ferrari power plants. Our goal was to have built a P4 recreation that was all hand built (like the three originals), from the hand formed aluminum body panels, to the extremely accurate placement of the thousands of rivets, the incorporation of all the external scopes, vents and ductwork, the remanufacture of all the internal ducting, the remanufacture of details like the oil dry sump tank and the fuel surge tank, to the recreation of the original gauges, plus the use of several original P4 spare parts (driving lights, tail light, cockpit switches, turn signal lights etc.), and the list goes on. No other P4 recreation is as true to the three originals in terms of body and external detail to our knowledge.
Tim Taylor and Bob Norwood were obsessed with the accuracy of their creation.
Because of our desire to have a road able/track able car and our history of racing we purposely departed from strictly original detail in several respects.
- We wanted a reliable engine that could be driven effectively on the road or the track and an engine for which parts were readily available. We chose the 575 Marenello engine for this reason. I want to point out that P4 by Norwood could have built the same car with an original 330 engine, a 456 engine, a 550 engine, a 575 engine or just about any other Ferrari engine a buyer might want. The choice of engine is the buyer’s.
- We opted for left-hand drive rather than right-hand drive as per original for ease of driving on American streets. Again, a buyer can order right or left-hand drive.
- We used a Porsche G50 transmission coupled with a five disc carbon-fiber clutch which we felt could better handle the power output of the 575 engine
Enough of the details suffice it to say, the car is awesome!!! It handles the road beautifully, doesn’t mind idling at stop lights, starts easily; in other words has good all-around road ability, for a VERY powerful sports/racing machine. I think for owners with a little less or no racing experience a slightly smaller engine might be more comfortable.
On the track, it’s a rush!!!

[Drclarke]

What an lovely looking car. How much are real ones worth??

[wessexrfc]

Chap I went to LeMans Classic had a great Can-am P4 with a V12, only one? Looked fantastic, had an unfortunate misshap and now needs a rebuild. It was a Lee Noble chassis G50 gearbox and Ferrari V12 sounded great and lovely shape.

[Elex]

Here's the real one. Chassis number 0856. It's the only Ferrari 330 P4 left in original form. The other 2, c/n 0858 and c/n 0860 were converted to Can Am cars. The most fantastic looking car ever made imo. It won the World Sports Car Championship in 1967.

[chevronb37]

Elex said:

Here's the real one. Chassis number 0856. It's the only Ferrari 330 P4 left in original form. The other 2, c/n 0858 and c/n 0860 were converted to Can Am cars. The most fantastic looking car ever made imo. It won the World Sports Car Championship in 1967.

Is that Lawrence Stroll's car? Think it was the 1967 Daytona winning chassis but my memory's rubbish!

[Enricogto]

Drclarke said:

What an lovely looking car. How much are real ones worth??

More than 10 mln £, but to me on par with a GTO given the even lower production number and the "achievements".

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[kste]

The original P4 (one only remaining original) is likely worth more than most GTOs. Far more rare, I saw the two together at a Ferrari exhibit in Tokyo many years ago and the GTO was invisible next to the P4 (3? don't remember as was around 15 years ago).

What do you think about getting one in black with Gold Wheels? Red is gorgeous but black might be a bit less flashy

Only pic I have is this model and it is a coupe

[North West Tom]

What's a 'CH' kind of car?

[wessexrfc]

Picture of the V12 mounted within the Noble space frame.

[Justices]

These guys? http://blackhorsela.com/

If so, they were a very nice bunch when we were nosing around the place while they were servicing the car. They had some very interesting customers with some fantastic tales about what they all got up to in their cars. I remember there was a "high mileage" 360 that was being driven in snow and the owner took it absolutely everywhere. Pretty sure they had a photo of it ploughing through snow in the service area. They also gave us a Tubi vs Capristo sound-off in the showroom which reduced us to giggling schoolboys. Brilliant stuff.

Very friendly, very accommodating and called the next day asking if we'd like to stop by and test a few cars.

ETA: Nosing about the place, definitely not posing.

Edited by Justices on Sunday 19th August 22:37

[Streetrod]

You can have this real one if you can match the asking price:

http://www.talacrest.com/Ferrari-Sales/Ferrari-330...

Here are pics of the current ongoing restoration

http://www.talacrest.com/talacrest_ferrari_330_p4_...

[JMP86]

Every so often you come across something that stops you dead in you're tracks, I've spent the last 20 minutes looking through those restoration images......fantastic!

[SimonSays]

I'm guessing this is their website:

http://www.p4bynorwood.com

[pastrana72]

JMP86 said:

Every so often you come across something that stops you dead in you're tracks, I've spent the last 20 minutes looking through those restoration images......fantastic!

+1 me too, it is amazing.

[P4Replica]

wessexrfc said:

Picture of the V12 mounted within the Noble space frame.

Ahem. This is actually the Foreman version (of the Noble) space frame.

[P4Replica]

Here's a video of that 575-powered Norwood P4, in case anyone hadn't seen it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgHjP9E79q4

[wessexrfc]

P4Replica said:

Ahem. This is actually the Foreman version (of the Noble) space frame.

I'll take your word for that!! Would think you know this Can-Am. A great looking machine. Mine pulls a crowd, this thing pulls everyone

[P4Replica]

wessexrfc said:

I'll take your word for that!! Would think you know this Can-Am. A great looking machine. Mine pulls a crowd, this thing pulls everyone

Yes, of course. The Can-Am in your photo is the ex-Neil Foreman 400i-engined demo car which got pranged at the Le Mans Classic last month.

Besides, Noble never did a Can-Am version - only a Berlinetta and a Targa roof spyder (without the pukka spyder tail).

You own a Foreman Can-Am ? Do I know you (from way back) ? Is that Gary, by any chance ?

[P4Replica]

wessexrfc said:

Chap I went to LeMans Classic had a great Can-am P4 with a V12, only one? Looked fantastic, had an unfortunate misshap and now needs a rebuild. It was a Lee Noble chassis G50 gearbox and Ferrari V12 sounded great and lovely shape.

Sorry, that'll teach me not to read all the way back through the thread properly. But it is a Foreman chassis.

PS - Maybe Gary still hasn't finished his Foreman Can-Am yet, so you must be Alan. Right ?

[wessexrfc]

I was told it was a Lee Noble part developed/designed chassis, must admit it looked very similar build/design to mine. Also this was (as I was told) build for/by the builder, Foreman?? is there another?? and that this was the only Can-Am of this type.
Will avoid names to avoid anyones embarrassment.