More lunacy from Brussels
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Worrying news from our chums in the European Parliament. Looks like they are going to start meddling with classic car MOT tests by insisting classic vehicles are:
Maintained by use of replacement parts which reproduce the historic components of the vehicle
Have not sustained any change in the technical characteristics of its main components such as engine, brakes, steering or suspension
Has not been changed in its appearance
http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-cl...
As someone commented, "where can I get asbestos brake linings?"
Maintained by use of replacement parts which reproduce the historic components of the vehicle
Have not sustained any change in the technical characteristics of its main components such as engine, brakes, steering or suspension
Has not been changed in its appearance
http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-cl...
As someone commented, "where can I get asbestos brake linings?"
This has two large threads on this already
The reports on car club websites are, in my opinion (based on practising EU law) alarmist and inaccurate.
There is a draft proposal. iI is some way off legislation. It does NOT, contrary to reports to teh contrary, ban modifications or have a significant effect on classic cars. The UK is resisting major changes.
The reports on car club websites are, in my opinion (based on practising EU law) alarmist and inaccurate.
There is a draft proposal. iI is some way off legislation. It does NOT, contrary to reports to teh contrary, ban modifications or have a significant effect on classic cars. The UK is resisting major changes.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Some old cars will , if the proposal goes through (note: IF) be exempt from MOT tests.
Others, including modified ones, will just have to have MOT tests. There is not a proposal to ban all non original parts.
This statement from C and SC is completely wrong:-
"But the proposed new legislation will require annual roadworthiness testing to make reference to the car’s original ‘technical characteristics.’ Your classic may be subject to (and fail) the new test if it doesn’t fit the EU’s definition of a ‘historic vehicle’"
C and SC appear not to have read the proposal.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Some old cars will , if the proposal goes through (note: IF) be exempt from MOT tests.
Others, including modified ones, will just have to have MOT tests. There is not a proposal to ban all non original parts.
This statement from C and SC is completely wrong:-
"But the proposed new legislation will require annual roadworthiness testing to make reference to the car’s original ‘technical characteristics.’ Your classic may be subject to (and fail) the new test if it doesn’t fit the EU’s definition of a ‘historic vehicle’"
C and SC appear not to have read the proposal.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 31st August 09:39
FBHVC are being a bit silly there
basically this is the same rules as in Germany if you want to register your car as a 'historic' car (and get cheaper tax, exemption from emissions zones, cheaper insurance etc)
safety mods and period mods are allowed though
you can still run your older car as a 'normal' car though
basically this is the same rules as in Germany if you want to register your car as a 'historic' car (and get cheaper tax, exemption from emissions zones, cheaper insurance etc)
safety mods and period mods are allowed though
you can still run your older car as a 'normal' car though
The car club and enthusiast websites are, in my opinion, seriously misreporting this subject, and behaving in a manner which is bordering on the irresponsible. Few if any of then appear to have read or understood the proposal. They have not reported, or given much prominence to, the calmer and, in my opinion, more realistic view indicated by the DfT.
Indeed. On the other PH threads, one of the panicmongers says that Nick Griffin is a freedom fighter, and one says that this is part of the Global Jewish conspiracy. I am not making this up!
This really has been flogged to death already on the other threads.
NB: we are talking about a proposal. Speculating about whether it will allow you to change the sun visors on your 1967 Mark II Violator is like speculating about angels on pin heads.
Don't panic, wait and see, expect not much to happen.
This really has been flogged to death already on the other threads.
NB: we are talking about a proposal. Speculating about whether it will allow you to change the sun visors on your 1967 Mark II Violator is like speculating about angels on pin heads.
Don't panic, wait and see, expect not much to happen.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Another thread for the "EU represents the end of everything" idiots to make stuff up and blame Johnny Foreigner. Some things never change.....
...And another opportunity for the pro EU idiots to misrepresent the dislike of a profoundly undemocratic political construct as xenophobia. Try to argue honestly old chap, I understand it's hard for you, but give it a go, eh?
Oldred_V8S said:
Worrying news from our chums in the European Parliament. Looks like they are going to start meddling with classic car MOT tests by insisting classic vehicles are:
Maintained by use of replacement parts which reproduce the historic components of the vehicle
Have not sustained any change in the technical characteristics of its main components such as engine, brakes, steering or suspension
Has not been changed in its appearance
http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-cl...
As someone commented, "where can I get asbestos brake linings?"
RiiiiightMaintained by use of replacement parts which reproduce the historic components of the vehicle
Have not sustained any change in the technical characteristics of its main components such as engine, brakes, steering or suspension
Has not been changed in its appearance
http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-cl...
As someone commented, "where can I get asbestos brake linings?"
So my MGB Roadter that has had a bare metal rebuilt and a V8 and SD1 box fitted....guess i'll have to scrap it. Utter interfereing
s.The fact that some of us actually believe in an EU- warts and all- doesn't make us idiots any more than those who have well reasoned views against the EU. But some of the red top press does make an art form out of misrepresenting EU issues and inventing alarmist crap to feed their readership's prejudices. In a country where one can drive everything from a 1930 Bentley to an Ariel Atom perfectly legally I don't think we have been as hard done by as many would like to think...
Sorry but what utter tossers.
I'm all for road safety but WTF classic cars frankly represent a tiny tiny number of cars which invariably are used in good weather and driving conditions. I'd assume strongly the number involved in accidents are also tinny and possibly the best or eager fewest accident probability as one the owner realises its value two is never in a hurry three love driving and are never in a hurry in fact the longer the drive takes in said car the better.
If this is what they consider as a serious issue to investigate and legislate against madness.
Why not legislate and push through that legally the Govt have to resurface roads every x years that would decrease accidents and improve general car conditions as wear and tear on the cars would beach less.
Or rather why not come up with a genuine plan of how to get the 20%+ unemployed in Europe back into genuine work.
I'm all for road safety but WTF classic cars frankly represent a tiny tiny number of cars which invariably are used in good weather and driving conditions. I'd assume strongly the number involved in accidents are also tinny and possibly the best or eager fewest accident probability as one the owner realises its value two is never in a hurry three love driving and are never in a hurry in fact the longer the drive takes in said car the better.
If this is what they consider as a serious issue to investigate and legislate against madness.
Why not legislate and push through that legally the Govt have to resurface roads every x years that would decrease accidents and improve general car conditions as wear and tear on the cars would beach less.
Or rather why not come up with a genuine plan of how to get the 20%+ unemployed in Europe back into genuine work.
theironduke said:
Riiiiight
So my MGB Roadter that has had a bare metal rebuilt and a V8 and SD1 box fitted....guess i'll have to scrap it. Utter interfereings.
No, you most likely won't have to scrap it. Don't believe all that you read. So my MGB Roadter that has had a bare metal rebuilt and a V8 and SD1 box fitted....guess i'll have to scrap it. Utter interfereing
s.There are many legitimate grounds for objecting to the EU's organisation and actions, but, regrettably, Euroscepticism is often tinged with xenophobia. Not all Eurosceptics are xenophobes, but some are, and we've seen a couple of them on these threads.
I am in theory pro EU, and would like to see a democratic Federal Europe, but nowadays would prefer the UK to be in EFTA, because of the undemocratic nature of the EU in its current form, and its policy errors in many fields, including the currency project.
The roadworthiness proposal is not inherently a daft idea, subject to the argument that the extant 2009 Directive is adequate for the purpose sought to be achieved. If there si to be a new system, then the proposal needs to be refined and re drafted. NB: it is aimed at all cars, and classic and modified cars are not the main targets.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 31st August 12:09
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