Dump Valves - I know nothing!
Dump Valves - I know nothing!
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Lefty

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21,562 posts

233 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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What do they actually do? My understanding is that they're not normally an OEM standard fitment. Are they really necessary? Is it possible to get quiet ones?

I'm looking at a P1 which has been modifed slightly more than I would ideally have wanted - Andy Forrest map and hybrid turbo, full 3" system (manifold-back) and a really loud dump valve. I don't midn the fairly loud exhaust note but the noise of the dump valve really bothers me. The car seems to have been well looked after, has a huge pile of history, full MOT with no advisories and the owner doesn't seem like a barry-boy!

Dave Hedgehog

16,373 posts

235 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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there very barr/chav but do sound good on the right car and i would say not totally inappropriate for a scooby P1

you wont ever hear it if your driving to the speed limit wink

Smanks

3,100 posts

218 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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Lefty said:
What do they actually do? My understanding is that they're not normally an OEM standard fitment. Are they really necessary? Is it possible to get quiet ones?

I'm looking at a P1 which has been modifed slightly more than I would ideally have wanted - Andy Forrest map and hybrid turbo, full 3" system (manifold-back) and a really loud dump valve. I don't midn the fairly loud exhaust note but the noise of the dump valve really bothers me. The car seems to have been well looked after, has a huge pile of history, full MOT with no advisories and the owner doesn't seem like a barry-boy!
Quiet ones are called recirculating dump valves IIRC.

Rew

253 posts

227 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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If its a VTA dump valve, you could always swap it to a recirculating one that dumps the air back into the intake. That should sort it out unless you are running an induction cone air filter which in that case you would still hear the sound, but far less than a VTA one.

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

296 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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Lefty said:
What do they actually do? My understanding is that they're not normally an OEM standard fitment. Are they really necessary? Is it possible to get quiet ones?
Just use the OEM recirculating dump valve - most turbo cars come with one that has to be disconnected to fit a loud chav one. What they do is equalise the pressures either side of the turbo compressor when you lift off the throttle. It reduces turbo decelleration, and can reduce lag between gear changes.

Baz Tench

5,648 posts

221 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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I find them annoying too. I don't know if they are any better than the standard waste gate tbh.

Barries like to hold their stboxes in gear until they arrive by you and then change gear, trying to get your attention, as if they genuinely believe that you will be impressed. rolleyes

For that reason alone, I really don't like them.

e8_pack

1,384 posts

212 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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You could hear the one on my celica at very low revs, but the turbo used to spo very quickly. I'm running high boost on the ax so thought it best to get one, can't recirculate as the inlet is too small so dumping to atmosphere.

look for a recirculating one if you don't like the noise. Don't scoobys run a maf though on some models? Best make sure yours is setup right.

e8_pack

1,384 posts

212 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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Baz Tench said:
I find them annoying too. I don't know if they are any better than the standard waste gate.
Waste gate and dv are completely different things.

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

296 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
you wont ever hear it if your driving to the speed limit wink
I can hear my dump valve at legal speeds in all gears. Have you actually driven a car with a noisy dump valve?

Baz Tench

5,648 posts

221 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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e8_pack said:
Baz Tench said:
I find them annoying too. I don't know if they are any better than the standard waste gate.
Waste gate and dv are completely different things.
Ah, ok. Cheers. smile

I've always kept my turbo'd cars completely standard, so I wouldn't know these things...

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

296 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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Baz Tench said:
Barries like to hold their stboxes in gear until they arrive by you and then change gear, trying to get your attention, as if they genuinely believe that you will be impressed. rolleyes

For that reason alone, I really don't like them.
Sometimes a gear change is just a gear change.

What makes you think that you are special enough for barries to impress? Are you a 15 year old girl?

WeirdNeville

6,050 posts

246 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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They dump the boost pressure on gear change (or throttle shuting) to stop then engine being on boost when you're trying to let it slow down. Loud ones vent to atmosphere, quiet ones vent back into the inlet side of the intake system.
Just swap it for a recirculating type if it bothers you ,and I think you might need to re map it too once you've done that to make sure the car behaves itself.

Sonic

4,008 posts

238 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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I far prefer the subtle sound of a recirc valve to the attention-whoring VTA DV.

If you can still hear the recirc valve loudly then you just know somebody is packing a fair amount of boost hehe

Sonic

4,008 posts

238 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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WeirdNeville said:
They dump the boost pressure on gear change (or throttle shuting) to stop then engine being on boost when you're trying to let it slow down. Loud ones vent to atmosphere, quiet ones vent back into the inlet side of the intake system.
Just swap it for a recirculating type if it bothers you ,and I think you might need to re map it too once you've done that to make sure the car behaves itself.
Or it'll fix the car wink

Baz Tench

5,648 posts

221 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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Captain Muppet said:
Baz Tench said:
Barries like to hold their stboxes in gear until they arrive by you and then change gear, trying to get your attention, as if they genuinely believe that you will be impressed. rolleyes

For that reason alone, I really don't like them.
Sometimes a gear change is just a gear change.

What makes you think that you are special enough for barries to impress? Are you a 15 year old girl?
Yes, yes I am.

It's obvious when they do it though. Knobs. (yes, I really hate the sound of a chavvy i.e. Loud dump valve).

Rew

253 posts

227 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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WeirdNeville said:
They dump the boost pressure on gear change (or throttle shuting) to stop then engine being on boost when you're trying to let it slow down.
Are you sure? My fiesta Turbo back in the day never had a dump valve fitted as standard and still slowed down.

I thought the aim of the dump valve was to reduce / stop back pressure in the intake flowing back to the turbo charger when the throttle is closed. Without one, the pressure would stall the turbo between gear changes taking it more off boost as well as extra negative pressure on the turbo causing premature wear?

WeirdNeville

6,050 posts

246 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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Hmmm, you could be right there. Revision required on my part!

It stops compressor stall on the boosted volume of air, as it tries to flow backwards through the turbo?

Still at least I know why a dump valve isn't a waste-gate.

NateWM

1,743 posts

210 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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How about removing it all together and get some lovely turbo chatter?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iiKMCeYYBo&fea...

Lefty

Original Poster:

21,562 posts

233 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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Wow, lots of answer quickly, thanks fellas.

Erm, like i said, i know foxtrot-alpha about them BUT I think it might be a recirculating one - there is a hose running back to the inlert manifold.

It's been dynoed at 352bhp so is probably running a fair bit of boost!

I really don't like the sound of the damn thing though.

curlie467

7,650 posts

232 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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Or more simply put, they help to ease turbo stall.