4WD vs RWD in the Wet a facinating comaprsion
4WD vs RWD in the Wet a facinating comaprsion
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brianjohns

Original Poster:

52 posts

168 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/dacia-duster-vs...

Autocar seem to say that the feel/feedback makes the Ginetta so able in the wet as to allow for some, dare I say it, controllable sliding. I wonder if this means that feedback from a car CAN (following on from our last debate on PH regarding steering feel) make a difference in the way it handles and can be driven on the road.

I would love to see the Ginetta compared with an electric steered Toyota GT-86 to see if feel would make a difference; I think it just might. A very interesting comparison by Autocar- who I must admit don't specialize in doing such fascinating tests. b

Edited by brianjohns on Friday 31st August 19:30

G0ldfysh

3,317 posts

284 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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I have this comparison in my garage.

Though for rainy wet, low visibility days leave the turbo silly thing at home and take the comfy slow diesel bus with massive plastic bumpers.

Just because your lightweight sports is good fun in the wet all the other drivers are just as asleep as usual and the stopping distances are much longer when they or even heaven forbid you make a mistake.

anonymous-user

81 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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If the "experts" (autocar) can't get it right, and confuse "grip" (lateral & -ve Longitudinal g capability) with "traction" (+ve Longitudinal g) what hope does the average "man on a forum" have eh???



;-(

chrisxr2

1,128 posts

221 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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I have a haynes roadster kit car and a 4 wheel drive avanzato kei car, i drove from grantham to durham in horrific rain the other day and thae avanzato was as sure footed as a mountain goat, go out before midday when there is still dew in the rear wheel drive kit car and it is like driving a wet bar of soap, bloody good fun though.

Dangerous Dan

624 posts

198 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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Oh well.

Ms. Parrott looked like she was having fun though thumbup

psummers

100 posts

182 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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What's a Dutchah?

Motorrad

6,811 posts

214 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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Wrong question- which is more fun would be a better one.

Which do you prefer drinking ethanol or Champagne?

brianjohns

Original Poster:

52 posts

168 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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The issue I think Autocar are bringing up is not one of: what to take out during a rainstorm, but rather the benefits of being about to have feedback from a car. And really this Ginetta seems to address what PH brought up in an article about a week ago- concerning the loss in steering feel in new Porsche's. I think this begins to show that PH was right; that steering feel does matter. b

gsrgeoff

259 posts

257 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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I've driven the (maga slippy) Rally Stages track at Oulton Park in an E46 BMW330i, and a Mitsubishi Evo and the 4WD Evo mullered the 330i by a mile !

Pablo16v

2,845 posts

224 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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psummers said:
What's a Dutchah?
Something that you pass on the left hand side

tumbleweed

Baryonyx

18,264 posts

186 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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Small, lightweight sports car on expensive tyres vs. a lardy bus of a 4x4 with a high centre of gravity? The lateral grip battle was won before they even started. I'd expect the Ginetta to be fine for traction to with some delicate throttle control and quick steering.


Now, if we were talking about a Lancer Evolution vs the Ginetta...


brianjohns

Original Poster:

52 posts

168 months

Friday 31st August 2012
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Lets talk about..

Toyota GT-86 with electric steering

vs

Ginetta g40 with no power steering at all

My money would be on the Ginetta as a flat out more enjoyable car with better feedback. To use PH's term,
"Am I wrong?" b