Toyo R1R opinions?
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Lefty

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Sunday 2nd September 2012
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Anyone have any experience of these?

For an Impreza P1, 99% road use in all weather...

FreeLitres

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207 months

Sunday 2nd September 2012
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I'm a big Toyo fan, but I wouldn't fancy using R1-Rs in the wet or through snow!

ETA: Pic of R1-R


Edited by FreeLitres on Sunday 2nd September 20:00

Lefty

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Sunday 2nd September 2012
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No snow or ice to worry about - got a set of winters - but plenty of rain, leaf-grease, mud, cowst etc on the roads around here.

Are they full-on track day rubber?

FreeLitres

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207 months

Sunday 2nd September 2012
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I've only had T1-Rs on the Tiv. I see R1-Rs as half way between a T1-R and an r888. I don't think they are only for the track though- I just don't think they would shift much water.

Keen to hear of others experiences of them.

s m

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233 months

Sunday 2nd September 2012
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Lefty said:
Are they full-on track day rubber?
No, not as grippy in the dry as 888s and nowhere near as noisy.

I find them fine in the wet but they are optimised more for dry roads I'd say - more progressive breakaway than 888s once you overcome the grip as well

900T-R

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287 months

Sunday 2nd September 2012
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Worn through a set on the ol' 300-ish hp Saab 900 (old school version) - wet grip generally excellent - wiped the floor with the road tyre shod competition in the corners on a sodding wet Brunters at Ultimate Saab Day - aquaplaning resistance marginal to adequate, but what they really don't like is cold. Under 10 degrees C the grip seems to fall off a cliff, especially if wet/slippery with no chance to get a bit of temperature in them. They're not nearly as bad in this respect as full-house trackday rubber, though; the flipside is they fade rather quickly on track in the dry on a heavy-ish car compared with the latter.

This was the Japanese-spec version though (Toyo Trampio R1R) as there were no E-marked R1Rs available back then. At least to the eye and on the spec/technology sheets, the two seem identical.

Edited by 900T-R on Sunday 2nd September 20:16

s m

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233 months

Sunday 2nd September 2012
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900T-R said:
Worn through a set on the ol' 300-ish hp Saab 900 (old school version) - wet grip generally excellent - wiped the floor with the road tyre shod competition in the corners on a sodding wet Brunters at Ultimate Saab Day - aquaplaning resistance marginal to adequate, but what they really don't like is cold. Under 10 degrees C the grip seems to fall off a cliff,
That is a good point chap about the cold - mine came with these stickers on ( E-marked versions ) which is worth bearing in mind for winter usage


Marf

22,907 posts

271 months

Sunday 2nd September 2012
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If you're looking for that kind of tyre for daily use perhaps look at the Yokohama AD08, like the R1R it sits between Yokohama's top range sports tyre and their road legal semi slicks. It also is rated down to -10C.

Yokohama said:
Important Care And Usage Instructions:
The ADVAN Neova AD08 was developed using high performance
compounds which become brittle at low temperatures, and therefore
should not be used in certain conditions. ADVAN Neova AD08 tires thus
must be stored or used only at temperatures at or above 14°F
(-10°C) to maintain performance characteristics and to avoid any
damage to the tire or injury to persons or property.
from http://www.yokohamatire.com/assets/docs/yokohamati...

I've been using them for 3000 miles or so on my MR2 Turbo and they're great wet or dry.

They're also a slightly higher treadwear rating and come with more tread depth than the R1R. These things plus the lower operating temperatures are what made my mind up over the R1R smile





Edited by Marf on Sunday 2nd September 20:45

Marf

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271 months

Sunday 2nd September 2012
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AD08 review from an STi Type R driver

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Yokohama/Advan-N...

"Staggering! These are the best tyres I have ever used on my Impreza's. I have used Goodyear GSD3's (V-pattern's), Falkern Super Steel 595's, Toyo T1R's (terrible), Goodyear Vreddie's.

I went from the T1R to the AD08 and whilst in the tyre fitter's it was obvious seeing the two side by side (the T1R's had only completed 1K miles), the construction of the Yokohama was far superior. The carcass was very solid - sidewall and main tread part. A friend who was with me joked they hardly need inflating.

First drive out (120 miler round Shropshire's finest B-roads) was a revelation. Basically they seemed to totally sort my Type R Impreza. Turn-in was direct with good feedback. General road feedback was good too, allowing a more fluid, connected drive. Grip levels (dry) are brilliant, all the way up to the limit. When the limit is reached there is a wide amount of safe, easily explorable progression. There's no sudden letting go.

The shoulder's of most tyres would be showing signs of wear after about 1K miles (car only used for blats out), but the Yoko's have not worn in this manner, staying good

In short I am very impressed with the tyre, they do everything you could want from a tyre and do it well. They seem to suit the Impreza very well indeed. Highly recommended, and will buy again "


Lefty

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Monday 3rd September 2012
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That's really helpful, thanks!

Marf

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271 months

Monday 3rd September 2012
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Let us know how you get on, if you get the AD08 I can guarantee you won't be disappointed smile

Lefty

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Monday 3rd September 2012
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I certainly will smile

Lefty

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Friday 15th February 2013
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Update!

4x lovely AD08's fitted yesterday, first track session in the Subaru on Tuesday, can't wait smile

MGZRod

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206 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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I'm wanting AD08s for the 200, but £220 a corner is quite a lot hehe

s m

24,492 posts

233 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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MGZRod said:
I'm wanting AD08s for the 200, but £220 a corner is quite a lot hehe
18s?

McSam

6,753 posts

205 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Oh man, don't tempt me hehe I was going to get Rainsport 2s for the BMW, at £56 a corner.. But AD08s are £97 a corner, which is a very cheap way into that rubber.. Hmmmmm..

Lefty

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232 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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£155 fitted incl VAT for 215/40R17 from blackcircles, very impressed.

MGZRod

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206 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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s m said:
18s?
yep. 255 rears 35 profile. Fronts are 225 so around £200.

bonesX

902 posts

210 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Marf said:
AD08 review from an STi Type R driver

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Yokohama/Advan-N...

"Staggering! These are the best tyres I have ever used on my Impreza's. I have used Goodyear GSD3's (V-pattern's), Falkern Super Steel 595's, Toyo T1R's (terrible), Goodyear Vreddie's.

I went from the T1R to the AD08 and whilst in the tyre fitter's it was obvious seeing the two side by side (the T1R's had only completed 1K miles), the construction of the Yokohama was far superior. The carcass was very solid - sidewall and main tread part. A friend who was with me joked they hardly need inflating.

First drive out (120 miler round Shropshire's finest B-roads) was a revelation. Basically they seemed to totally sort my Type R Impreza. Turn-in was direct with good feedback. General road feedback was good too, allowing a more fluid, connected drive. Grip levels (dry) are brilliant, all the way up to the limit. When the limit is reached there is a wide amount of safe, easily explorable progression. There's no sudden letting go.

The shoulder's of most tyres would be showing signs of wear after about 1K miles (car only used for blats out), but the Yoko's have not worn in this manner, staying good

In short I am very impressed with the tyre, they do everything you could want from a tyre and do it well. They seem to suit the Impreza very well indeed. Highly recommended, and will buy again "
He he, that review is mine... yes, the AD08's are still going well on the Type R. The sidewalls are very stiff which gives incredible laser like steering input feel. Dry grip is off the scale with a nice safe broad limit... blah blah just as above really.

Those cost ~140 fitted and were 17". I have a Forester STi which needs 18" summer rubber (225/45, or 235), but AD08's are almost 200 a corner in Foz size...

I've been trying to find a lower priced stiff sidewalled tyre but am struggling. Bridgestones are historically stiff walled, but have stopeed the RE070 which I would have gone for.

Others... Kumho XS, Dunlop DZ03G, Hankook S1 Evo2. Bridgestone RE-11 or Dunlop Direzza2's would have been high on the list but they are proving more tricky to locate... forget the Toyo's though