Sp6 sequential box
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SkyUK

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230 months

Monday 3rd September 2012
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While Im posting smile Are there any options to replace the standard 2003 Tuscan Speedsix g/box with a sequential unit so I can fit a shifter? Thanks again

Graham

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313 months

Monday 3rd September 2012
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IIRc the elite will fit, you would need to check to see if they can to helical gears for it thought as straight cut would be a mare in a road car..

Derek Smith

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277 months

Monday 3rd September 2012
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Racing Green were working on a similar modification.

cwin

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248 months

Monday 3rd September 2012
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Graham said:
IIRc the elite will fit, you would need to check to see if they can to helical gears for it thought as straight cut would be a mare in a road car..
Don't buy one, you will regret it............

DonkeyApple

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198 months

Monday 3rd September 2012
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There is a Quaife one that will mate to a s6 and also fit the tunnel.

Sequential is absolutely perfect for driving every second of your journey flat out. If you are planning to cover any part of your journey without your foot burying the pedal into the floor then it's close to being the stest bit of junk you could stick in a car. wink

Graham

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313 months

Monday 3rd September 2012
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DonkeyApple said:
There is a Quaife one that will mate to a s6 and also fit the tunnel.

Sequential is absolutely perfect for driving every second of your journey flat out. If you are planning to cover any part of your journey without your foot burying the pedal into the floor then it's close to being the stest bit of junk you could stick in a car. wink
true enough but isnt that more a function of dog engagement than a sequential box? if you had a sequential with helical gears and syncros it would be livable with in a road car.

DonkeyApple

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198 months

Tuesday 4th September 2012
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Graham said:
true enough but isnt that more a function of dog engagement than a sequential box? if you had a sequential with helical gears and syncros it would be livable with in a road car.
It depends what you want, ultimately. They are designed and engineered for a specific purpose and that purpose doesn't exist on the public road. It's like using a thoroughbred in a donkey derby, it's going to do the job but not as well as the donkey.

I can't really imagine a scenario where such a gearbox is practical for the road. You can obviously live with it if you drive your track car to the circuit but it seems an odd option if it's not for that purpose.

I looked into this for the Typhon but reckoned there was a reason why manufacturers used different systems to change gears. but, that said, maybe newer systems are much better compromises with the rise of te track/road car?

SkyUK

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230 months

Tuesday 11th September 2012
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Oh the beauty of niaivety, and the harshness of reality! Thanks guys, I didnt realise that most sequential boxes were racing items, obvious in hindsight! (I wish I knew how to insert smileys!)

Having owned a couple of Jag XKRs I want the gorgeous experience that is their paddle operated semi auto boxes with super smooth engagement and shift times of 1s or less. Or the motorbike approach which aptly suits, but obviously in a form factor where the gearbox weight appropriate to a kit car. Mating a Yamondawakizuki gearbox to a S6 is likely to be more challenging than I want to try, lol.

The comments suggest that RG are working on an Elite box that might fit, but one poster suggests there may be lot of misery there. I guess I'll just have to man up and learn to use that stupid flawed stick thing better wink

450Nick

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241 months

Tuesday 11th September 2012
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The one in your Jag won't be an actuated manual sequential box like you're thinking of, it will be an auto box with manual override. Most tiptronic (excluding dual clutch boxes) are in fact automatics with a button to tell the box to shift; you can't really buy these though so not really an option. As has been said, you can buy kits to actuate a manual sequential such as the ones mentioned, though this will always be a race focussed box and will likely be a dog to drive slowly as they were simply not designed for smoothness or anything less than super fast shifts.

You should be able to shift pretty fast with a T5 though, if you're having trouble then maybe look at your driving style or other factors such as what oil you have in your box - this can affect the stiffness of the shift.

DonkeyApple

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198 months

Tuesday 11th September 2012
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CompuShift build the paddles and actuators to control the shifts and their speeds on the ZF auto box.

Ashcroft will build a ZF able to take the torque.

SkyUK

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167 posts

230 months

Wednesday 12th September 2012
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450Nick said:
The one in your Jag won't be an actuated manual sequential box like you're thinking of, it will be an auto box with manual override. Most tiptronic (excluding dual clutch boxes) are in fact automatics with a button to tell the box to shift; you can't really buy these though so not really an option. As has been said, you can buy kits to actuate a manual sequential such as the ones mentioned, though this will always be a race focussed box and will likely be a dog to drive slowly as they were simply not designed for smoothness or anything less than super fast shifts.

You should be able to shift pretty fast with a T5 though, if you're having trouble then maybe look at your driving style or other factors such as what oil you have in your box - this can affect the stiffness of the shift.
Thanks Nick. My problem is probably more to do with the extension system that bring the gearstick into the cockpit. With the standard box the gearstick comes straight out of the box and that would put it down at my feet somewhere smile The problem is left to right accuracy, it doesnt self centre well, and if I miss the slot for 3rd its then a slow and gentle game of hunting for it. Way better than it before, but still not where I want it to be. John at Sussex TVR built this system, I'll have a chat with him when he is back. Our backup plan was to fabricate an H gate around the stick itself.

SkyUK

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Wednesday 12th September 2012
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DonkeyApple said:
CompuShift build the paddles and actuators to control the shifts and their speeds on the ZF auto box.

Ashcroft will build a ZF able to take the torque.
Will a ZF fit a Speed6 or fit inside the existing tunnel?

SkyUK

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Wednesday 12th September 2012
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SkyUK said:
DonkeyApple said:
CompuShift build the paddles and actuators to control the shifts and their speeds on the ZF auto box.

Ashcroft will build a ZF able to take the torque.
Will a ZF fit a Speed6 or fit inside the existing tunnel?
Google suggests a ZF box weighs in at 80Kg dry, whereas a T5 is around 35Kg. That would seem to rule out the ZF for me. My L7 recorded 750Kg overall at the IVA. Thanks for the info though.

450Nick

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241 months

Wednesday 12th September 2012
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Can't say I've ever heard of people struggling to find gears in a T5 - apart maybe from reverse! My chim uses a remote linkage too but never encountered this problem. Perhaps there is play in the linkage, or play in the rose joint? If serviced and working properly, you shouldn't notice the linkage at all???

SkyUK

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167 posts

230 months

Wednesday 12th September 2012
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450Nick said:
Can't say I've ever heard of people struggling to find gears in a T5 - apart maybe from reverse! My chim uses a remote linkage too but never encountered this problem. Perhaps there is play in the linkage, or play in the rose joint? If serviced and working properly, you shouldn't notice the linkage at all???
You wouldnt happen to have a picture of it would you?