Canon Launch 6D
Discussion
Ah sorry the 6d
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-6d
http://www.canon.co.nz/About-Canon/News-Events/New...
Basically a 60d with a big sensor & no flash.
Some good - 20mp new sensor, -3 ev focus point (just the one, cross type), all the modern toys (spirit level , digit 5).
Some bad - 97% viewfinder, possibly no MA, simpler less ergonomic controls over xD's
Seems to me a bit humdrum but could make a decent entry into the FF market.
Surprised the 24-105L is the kit lens here, thats twice the price of the d600 kit lens.
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-6d
http://www.canon.co.nz/About-Canon/News-Events/New...
Basically a 60d with a big sensor & no flash.
Some good - 20mp new sensor, -3 ev focus point (just the one, cross type), all the modern toys (spirit level , digit 5).
Some bad - 97% viewfinder, possibly no MA, simpler less ergonomic controls over xD's
Seems to me a bit humdrum but could make a decent entry into the FF market.
Surprised the 24-105L is the kit lens here, thats twice the price of the d600 kit lens.
x5x3 said:
having a quick look at the preview site - why would anyone go for the 6D over the 5DMKIII except on price?
Well, bit of a niche area I suppose but as an example ...I have a pneumatic mast. Wi-Fi remote control is something I have been interested in for a while - one less cable. If I can also get tilt and pan head control without wirelessly the whole exercise would be improved. It has been done but not without additional kit and, more often than not, the products of non-commercial developers. That's fine but does not offer any chance of corporate support and feature longevity. (That said Canon have proved that corporate support long term is not guaranteed either with features available in the Powershot bridge camera ranges disappearing over time.)
The inbuilt geotagging would be handy as well for commercial use of the mast. Yes it can be done in other ways but not without adding a step or two to the workflow. Plus if one adds an external unit to the camera it adds a little headweight and increases the profile which is not so good when sitting up in the wind on the mast. Light weight and small size are good in that respect.
Many of the missing features (lack of 100% view, articulated screen, more focus points, no built-in flash for example) are not (so) important for remote use. Nor are the less comprehensive controls if one is looking for remote control anyway.
On the other hand ... running Wi-Fi and GPS with remote control does suggest a fairly hefty load on the battery and if that means that only a small number of shots are possible it may negate the benefits of losing the cables when shooting remotely.
As I said it's a bit of a niche appliction but there may be other niches with different requirements that are still attracted by the feature set if the results are good enough. I suspect that many serious amateurs shooting, say, landscape, might appreciate a smaller and lighter FF body that could position in an awkward-to-shoot-from postion and then control and review the results remotely on a smartphone or tablet. No need for an articulated screen in that situation. Maybe not dual card slots either if it can save to card and to Wi-Fi device at the same time. The slightly smaller sensor may mean slightly smaller files which would also be some form of benefit in a Wi-Fi based workflow.
It will be interesting to see what potential the Magic Lantern team and others find when they dig into the inner workings.
As for the 24-105 as the kit lens in NZ ... I forget where I saw it but somewhere on the past few days I spotted and ad for a body - 5D3 I think - where the price differential between the Body only and the Body + 24-205 kit was, from memory, less than £200. It's not the first time I've seen ads with the 24-105 as a kit lens at a price differential that is about the same or less than the lens can be bought pre-owned on eBay. It's a quallity lens that should suit the camera well and, probably, has sold enough that the effective profit margin compared to cost is quite high. If so that would mean the kit looks like a good quality proposition to a knowing photographer and would provide a large margin of flexibility for competitive pricing of the kit should it be required.
So, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, etc., but there are aspects of the specs that suggest it may be a rather smart 'compromise' of features to replace the 5D2 at its market price point. Always assuming that images are good enough.
Looking forward to the reviews.
I'm assuming that when the prices normalise it will be quite a bit cheaper than a 5Dmk3. I bought my 5D about 12 months ago while I waited to see what Canon would do with the mk3 and I think that for me the 6D would be a better bet to upgrade to than the 5Dmk3, mainly due to the price. It has the key features I want FF, metal body and weather sealing and GPS which is a nice touch. I would have preferred a 100% viewfinder, but my current 5D doesn't have that and it is still a good camera!
Craikeybaby said:
I'm assuming that when the prices normalise it will be quite a bit cheaper than a 5Dmk3. I bought my 5D about 12 months ago while I waited to see what Canon would do with the mk3 and I think that for me the 6D would be a better bet to upgrade to than the 5Dmk3, mainly due to the price. It has the key features I want FF, metal body and weather sealing and GPS which is a nice touch. I would have preferred a 100% viewfinder, but my current 5D doesn't have that and it is still a good camera!
WEX have it available for pre-order at £1799 which suggests that UK pricing is reasonably keen for this one. If you take out 20% VAT and compare it to the RRP in the US ($2099 iirc) the difference is about what one would expect to be able to buy for in the UK via the usual sources.With multiple offerings at the price point suddenly appearing we might expect competition to be helpful to pricing in early 2013 after the initial orders are fulfilled.
The Canon launch blurb keeps mentioning 'Professional' so one would assume that ownership will qualify for some useful degree of CPS support. This makes me wonder if Canon are perhaps seeing it as a more or less utility body (cheaper, smaller and more cheerful so buy a box of them) for the videography market. They specifically mention wedding photography in connection with the inbuilt Wi-Fi for example. That along with claims of extra focusing sensitivity at the central focus point may suggest that they had a rather specific set of market areas in mind when they were deciding what to include in the final product.
Matt.. said:
Shame they've gone dual SD slots. I have no desire to fully swap over to SD cards!
I doubt there was much choice when opting for the smaller body form. Plus no pins to bend and easy downloading to most SD card adapter equipped devices. Speeds now good enough too.I know what you mean though.
I'm torn as I'm looking to upgrade my 40D in time to learn the new camera for a wedding next year.
The 5DIII is too expensive and I've been leaning towards the 7D for a while, especially as I have decent EF-S lenses.
I don't need the speed of the 7D as I'm not a sports photographer or 'birder'
I do really like the GPS and WIFI in the 6D
I 'think' the new AF in the 6D will be an improvement over that in the 40D even though it has only one cross-type sensor (the 40D has fewer but they are all cross-type) simply due to better technology and that rather impressive -3EV sensitivity in the centre point.
Although it's not crop, the extra pixels will make up for that as I can crop myself in PS.
It's the same size as the 40D and somewhat better weather-sealed. This is important as I travel a lot and appreciate lighter gear. Both the 7D and the 5DIII are much larger.
However, it's only 1/4000 max - but I rarely use 1/8000 (if at all)
Worse though is the mere 1/180 flash sync. However as it has no pop-up anyway I would need to use my 580 and I assume that's more than powerful enough to cope using high-speed sync for the fill-in where high speed would be useful.
I reckon with a decent drop in price I might get one......
The 5DIII is too expensive and I've been leaning towards the 7D for a while, especially as I have decent EF-S lenses.
I don't need the speed of the 7D as I'm not a sports photographer or 'birder'
I do really like the GPS and WIFI in the 6D
I 'think' the new AF in the 6D will be an improvement over that in the 40D even though it has only one cross-type sensor (the 40D has fewer but they are all cross-type) simply due to better technology and that rather impressive -3EV sensitivity in the centre point.
Although it's not crop, the extra pixels will make up for that as I can crop myself in PS.
It's the same size as the 40D and somewhat better weather-sealed. This is important as I travel a lot and appreciate lighter gear. Both the 7D and the 5DIII are much larger.
However, it's only 1/4000 max - but I rarely use 1/8000 (if at all)
Worse though is the mere 1/180 flash sync. However as it has no pop-up anyway I would need to use my 580 and I assume that's more than powerful enough to cope using high-speed sync for the fill-in where high speed would be useful.
I reckon with a decent drop in price I might get one......
troc said:
I'm torn as I'm looking to upgrade my 40D in time to learn the new camera for a wedding next year.
The 5DIII is too expensive and I've been leaning towards the 7D for a while, especially as I have decent EF-S lenses.
I don't need the speed of the 7D as I'm not a sports photographer or 'birder'
I do really like the GPS and WIFI in the 6D
I 'think' the new AF in the 6D will be an improvement over that in the 40D even though it has only one cross-type sensor (the 40D has fewer but they are all cross-type) simply due to better technology and that rather impressive -3EV sensitivity in the centre point.
Although it's not crop, the extra pixels will make up for that as I can crop myself in PS.
It's the same size as the 40D and somewhat better weather-sealed. This is important as I travel a lot and appreciate lighter gear. Both the 7D and the 5DIII are much larger.
However, it's only 1/4000 max - but I rarely use 1/8000 (if at all)
Worse though is the mere 1/180 flash sync. However as it has no pop-up anyway I would need to use my 580 and I assume that's more than powerful enough to cope using high-speed sync for the fill-in where high speed would be useful.
I reckon with a decent drop in price I might get one......
I would guess that the max shutter speed and flash sync speeds are related to the size of the shutter and the engineering required to make it work. This is where technology, for different types of sensor as with some earlier Nikons or shutters built into lenses (leaf shutters) enable options that are not readily available from any cost effective focal plane shutter design combined with the flash accuracy technology in current use.The 5DIII is too expensive and I've been leaning towards the 7D for a while, especially as I have decent EF-S lenses.
I don't need the speed of the 7D as I'm not a sports photographer or 'birder'
I do really like the GPS and WIFI in the 6D
I 'think' the new AF in the 6D will be an improvement over that in the 40D even though it has only one cross-type sensor (the 40D has fewer but they are all cross-type) simply due to better technology and that rather impressive -3EV sensitivity in the centre point.
Although it's not crop, the extra pixels will make up for that as I can crop myself in PS.
It's the same size as the 40D and somewhat better weather-sealed. This is important as I travel a lot and appreciate lighter gear. Both the 7D and the 5DIII are much larger.
However, it's only 1/4000 max - but I rarely use 1/8000 (if at all)
Worse though is the mere 1/180 flash sync. However as it has no pop-up anyway I would need to use my 580 and I assume that's more than powerful enough to cope using high-speed sync for the fill-in where high speed would be useful.
I reckon with a decent drop in price I might get one......
I think your assumption about an alternative approach is likely correct.
LongQ said:
I would guess that the max shutter speed and flash sync speeds are related to the size of the shutter and the engineering required to make it work. This is where technology, for different types of sensor as with some earlier Nikons or shutters built into lenses (leaf shutters) enable options that are not readily available from any cost effective focal plane shutter design combined with the flash accuracy technology in current use.
The Nikon D70 had an 'electromagnetic' shutter and I could get it to synch up to 1/2000th using studio flash with IR trigger. Do any other DSLRs use them...? A lighter, smaller full frame DSLR was on my wish list. The 6D could be the camera I am looking for. I've been lusting after a 5D3 as it does CA correction in camera that my 5D MK2's don't do. Apparently the 6D also has this feature. Looking forward to having a play around with one once they are available.
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