80 mph motorway speed limit now dead

[R0G]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/272593/Road-p...

I don't think they will ever raise the limit until the greater majority of drivers show they will keep a minimum safe distance at all times

[surveyor]

Not sure I'd take Daily Star as gospel, but I expected a U turn.

Mind you did anyone hear BRAKE on R4 lunchtime slot yesterday. I was spitting feathers when they said that drivers had given them a clear remit that they would like fixed penalty's to increase to £200.

[Triumph Man]

Oh well, nobody really sticks to 70 anyway. Even people that have held me up on an A-road have shot away from me on the motorway.

[Triumph Man]

surveyor said:

Not sure I'd take Daily Star as gospel, but I expected a U turn.

Mind you did anyone hear BRAKE on R4 lunchtime slot yesterday. I was spitting feathers when they said that drivers had given them a clear remit that they would like fixed penalty's to increase to £200.

I heard about the increase to £200, I find it hard to believe that people would actually agree to that. It's bascially saying 'please, whip me harder'.

[surveyor]

Triumph Man said:

surveyor said:

Not sure I'd take Daily Star as gospel, but I expected a U turn.

Mind you did anyone hear BRAKE on R4 lunchtime slot yesterday. I was spitting feathers when they said that drivers had given them a clear remit that they would like fixed penalty's to increase to £200.

I heard about the increase to £200, I find it hard to believe that people would actually agree to that. It's bascially saying 'please, whip me harder'.

It all depends who you ask. If Brake ask their supporters, or people whose relatives have been killed, it's not so surprising. If they asked people at a service station on the M1, perhaps more so.

[cuprabob]

can't believe anyone thought it was going to ever happen.

[thinfourth2]

What will we do for excitment now that they won't increase the limit

[Raize]

But all the other st they slipped in with this to "compensate" stays, right? Enjoy your rural 40mph limit.

[g3org3y]

Tbh, I'm not too displeased about this. Likely nothing would have changed practically on the roads but the tolerances/penalties would have been harsher.

In addition, given the (poor) standard of motorway driving in this country, I doubt the majority of users would be able to cope with >80mph on a day to day basis.

[Paraicj]

I think the biggest problem with the statement is the bit where it says "Road safety and OUR RECORD on road safety has to be paramount."

It sounds like he has made it as much a political issue as a safety issue. Just another thing to blow a trumpet about.

[bigandclever]

surveyor said:

Mind you did anyone hear BRAKE on R4 lunchtime slot yesterday. I was spitting feathers when they said that drivers had given them a clear remit that they would like fixed penalty's to increase to £200.

Here's the press release...

http://www.brake.org.uk/latest-news/200912.htm

A survey by the charity Brake and Direct Line, out today, revealed nearly eight in ten drivers (78%) are in favour of fines of £200 or more for traffic offences such as speeding, using a mobile phone, or careless driving: more than double the potential increase to £90 set out in recent government proposals. Half of those surveyed (47%) think fines should be £500 or more.

[pherlopolus]

bigandclever said:

Here's the press release...

http://www.brake.org.uk/latest-news/200912.htm

A survey by the charity Brake and Direct Line, out today, revealed nearly eight in ten drivers (78%) are in favour of fines of £200 or more for traffic offences such as speeding, using a mobile phone, or careless driving: more than double the potential increase to £90 set out in recent government proposals. Half of those surveyed (47%) think fines should be £500 or more.

8 out of 10 readers who expressed an interest in acually completing the survey were inclined to agree in principle (as long it doesnt affect them)

i'd be inclined to agree for careless driving and mobile phone, but not for speeding....

[scarble]

bigandclever said:

for traffic offences such as speeding, using a mobile phone, or careless driving

yes, they've clearly taken figures for using phones and careless and used them to skew the figure for speeding. wars

[McSam]

bigandclever said:

surveyor said:

Mind you did anyone hear BRAKE on R4 lunchtime slot yesterday. I was spitting feathers when they said that drivers had given them a clear remit that they would like fixed penalty's to increase to £200.

Here's the press release...

http://www.brake.org.uk/latest-news/200912.htm

A survey by the charity Brake and Direct Line, out today, revealed nearly eight in ten drivers (78%) are in favour of fines of £200 or more for traffic offences such as speeding, using a mobile phone, or careless driving: more than double the potential increase to £90 set out in recent government proposals. Half of those surveyed (47%) think fines should be £500 or more.

I have no words for the rage that fills me as a result of "people" like these nutters have the ear of the government. It's absolutely unbelievable. Imagine such st being spouted about any other aspect of society whatsoever, and ask yourself if they'd get away with it for even one day. Years and years these mentalists have had a quote for every news article regarding anything at all that might be a motorists fault.

Remember the slightly gruesome "hit me at 40/30" campaign with the little girl snapping her bones back into place? Finally pulled from broadcast because it was revealed that it used dubious facts from car design 30 years out of date.

Just fk off, and let people who understand the physics and psychology involved do the work.

[ManOpener]

bigandclever said:

surveyor said:

Mind you did anyone hear BRAKE on R4 lunchtime slot yesterday. I was spitting feathers when they said that drivers had given them a clear remit that they would like fixed penalty's to increase to £200.

Here's the press release...

http://www.brake.org.uk/latest-news/200912.htm

A survey by the charity Brake and Direct Line, out today, revealed nearly eight in ten drivers (78%) are in favour of fines of £200 or more for traffic offences such as speeding, using a mobile phone, or careless driving: more than double the potential increase to £90 set out in recent government proposals. Half of those surveyed (47%) think fines should be £500 or more.

Which, of course, is entirely and completely different from the suggestion that a majority of drivers support larger fines for "non-dangerous" speeding. Which appears to be what they have construde this to mean, or at least what some have interpreted it as.

I'd guess the vast majority of fatal accidents on motorways occur at below the speed limit, due to factors such as reduced visibility. Is there any evidence to suggest that there's a link between motorway speeds and road deaths per distance travelled or per vehicle? If not, then any discussion around the issue is purely academic and absolutely no basis for policy or policy advice.

[750turbo]

cuprabob said:

can't believe anyone thought it was going to ever happen.

I posted in the original thread, the exact same view.

[scarble]

BRAKE seem to have an awful lot of influence.. but there can't be that many of them.. just imaging if they all somehow died in an ironic low speed collision?

[James P]

pherlopolus said:

bigandclever said:

Here's the press release...

http://www.brake.org.uk/latest-news/200912.htm

A survey by the charity Brake and Direct Line, out today, revealed nearly eight in ten drivers (78%) are in favour of fines of £200 or more for traffic offences such as speeding, using a mobile phone, or careless driving: more than double the potential increase to £90 set out in recent government proposals. Half of those surveyed (47%) think fines should be £500 or more.

8 out of 10 readers who expressed an interest in acually completing the survey were inclined to agree in principle (as long it doesnt affect them)

i'd be inclined to agree for careless driving and mobile phone, but not for speeding....

Would be interesting to hear the questions that lead up to the headline purpose of the survey. Anyone else reminded of Sir Humphrey in Yes Minister?

[NiceCupOfTea]

scarble said:

BRAKE seem to have an awful lot of influence.. but there can't be that many of them.. just imaging if they all somehow died in an ironic low speed collision?

Sounds like a death threat to me!

[Dog Star]

Raize said:

But all the other st they slipped in with this to "compensate" stays, right? Enjoy your rural 40mph limit.

Oh. What. A. Surprise.

This was so obviously going to happen.