alfa gt junior info

[C2james]

hey

id love a gt junior next year but wondered if you guys could tell me which is the more desirable car, 1300/1600 and what kind of price gets you a good one? any other info would be helpful.

cheers

[RicksAlfas]

I would suggest that a 1300 and 1600 are fairly equal, although the earlier the car the more desirable.
What will be harder is finding a 1300 which still has a 1300 engine in it!

Have a good look at the ClassicAlfa, Alfaholics and AROC classifieds and treat yourself to this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Romeo-Giulia-Essential-Buy...

[JimmyJam]

What Rick says is spot on. early cars will be preferable. Many Juniors will have different engines in. Mine is a 1300 Junior with 2000 engine and twin headlights, lots will be like this with interchanged parts.
Scruffy rolling resto will be £4k+ although I haven't seen one come around for a long time. Generally you'll be looking at £7k+ for OK, going into the teens and beyond if its good.
Apart from the usual suspects already mentioned, eBay tends to have a reasonably good supply too.
Enjoy the search

[velocemitch]

I suspect the OP might be lumping all 105 Coupe's under the Junior tag, many people do this. In which case you should consider 1750 and 2000 GTV's, both of which will give you a quicker car for similar money to a GTJ.

Basically a 105 Coupe could be;

Sprint GT 1600. Stepfront
Sprint GT Veloce 1600 Stepfront
1300 GT Junior Stepfront
1600 GTA (bit unlikely to be fair!)
1300 GTA (bit unlikely to be fair!)
1300 GT Junior Flush bonnet 2 Headlamps
1750 GTV
2000 GTV
1600 GT Junior Flush bonnet 4 headlamps

Or perm any engine with any bodyshell!!!



Some idea of your budget would help to be honest?

[C2james]

cheers guys, im not sure on budget for next year but it will most likely be at least hopefully £5k. sorry i should have made it clear, the ones im interesting in would be the 1300gt, 1600gt and 2000 models dont really mind if its a mid 70s car, 60s would be nice though.

[JimmyJam]

Thanks. If you find one it'll probably be rough at that money so go into it with eyes and wallet open. Parts and repairs are reasonable but rot can be extensive.

[jamieandthemagic]

velocemitch said:

I suspect the OP might be lumping all 105 Coupe's under the Junior tag, many people do this. In which case you should consider 1750 and 2000 GTV's, both of which will give you a quicker car for similar money to a GTJ.

Basically a 105 Coupe could be;

Sprint GT 1600. Stepfront
Sprint GT Veloce 1600 Stepfront
1300 GT Junior Stepfront
1600 GTA (bit unlikely to be fair!)
1300 GTA (bit unlikely to be fair!)
1300 GT Junior Flush bonnet 2 Headlamps
1750 GTV
2000 GTV
1600 GT Junior Flush bonnet 4 headlamps

Or perm any engine with any bodyshell!!!



Some idea of your budget would help to be honest?

Just to get anal; the difference in name of these 2 is
1300 GT Junior Stepfront
1300 GT Junior Flush bonnet 2 Headlamps

The second is badged a GT 1300 Junior (slight change around of the words).

my lil GT 1300 Junior, still has its 1300 engine. Properly set up just on K&Ns on the twin 40 Solexs it pushed 104bhp on the rolling road.

thought about putting a large engine in when I 1st got it, now its set up properly, I wouldnt change it for the world.

[bencollins]

this claims to be a 1300GT 1973 - but i dont see a step front?! what is it alfaspotters?

[RicksAlfas]

It's a later model 1300 Junior. The stepfront stopped in 1969.

[bencollins]

thanks rick, the alloys look rather dodgy, its £7k apparently restored, of course that can mean anything, seems about the right price to me.
has anyone out there slung in a webasto roof, or is this sinful?

[bencollins]

ah yes one more thing! and the one thing with old cars that bugs me (except overdrive triumphs etc) is final drive is always low, i.e. anyone know how many revs is 5th at 70mph?

[RicksAlfas]

The alloys look like they are off a modern car don't they? If they've "fully restored" it for £7,000 please let me know where to go! You could put a Webasto in - many had them fitted in period. Mitch has one in his 1750.

Not sure on revs at 70 but they will normally pull max revs in 5th so it'll probably be doing 4500 or so I would think. The 1300s had a shorter 5th gear than the other cars so if you didn't like it you could always put another box in it. The 1300 boxes are sought after by racers and trackdayers so you'd easily sell it on. Don't forget they like to rev and are quite happy doing it so high speed work is not the chore it is in some other classics.

[HebdenHedgehog]

My Junior was Dutch Blue (like the one posted) but 1600 and a few years later (so has the GTV-style grille and four headlamps). the colour suits the car very well, better than red in my (blinkered) eyes!



It used to love high speed runs, would cruise at / near the ton all day long in the right locations. From very distant memory 70mph was c.4000.

Not sure about the 1300 but as Rick says I doubt it's much different, maybe a few hundred rpm higher?

A properly restored one with unrotten sills, floor pans, chassis rails, etc etc for £7k is a good price. You can easily tweak the mechanical bits all you like if the body's good

[velocemitch]

Yes my 1750 has a Webasto, it's a nice addition to the car, but increases drag a bit and adds a little noise. It is an original or at least period fit though. I'm not sure about retro fitting one, in fact I wouldn't if I'm honest.

Gearing on the larger engined cars isn't an issue on the motorway, they really can and do keep up with modern traffic, my 2000 will sit at genuine 80 all day if you want.

I had a spreadsheet somewhere which gave the revs per MPH but I seem to have lost it, I reckon it's about 3800 for 70MPH, but be aware both Tacho's and Speedo's are both inaccurate. Also lots of 1300 have had the box's changed but the speedo isn't corrected so reads wrong.

7k is a very reasonable price for a 'flat front' 1300, but I'd be dubious of the words 'fully restored'.

[JimmyJam]

Agree £7k seems very reasonable but I have to question what else is going on if someone has the bad taste to put those wheels on!
I'd love a webasto, its on the list of things but keeps getting pushed further down in favour of just keeping the old girl alive! Last time I looked I think it was about a grand for new fitted. If anyone knows anywhere cheaper I'd be interested.
My 2000 (in a 1300 body) does 4000revs at 70 and is very happy to cruise there.

[bencollins]

thx for the replies. more yukky wheel shots. are these std carbs? not much of a filter!

[bencollins]

[velocemitch]

Yes Weber's, should be DCOH 40's. It's got ramp pipes and some sort of mesh as filters, not going to stop much dust those.

The standard airbox is a long metal tube, which would be much more civilised. It would be very noisy on the ram pipes and not much quicker.

[RicksAlfas]

DCOE40s Shirley?

And no, a kitchen sieve is not the best way of filtering!

[velocemitch]

Yes DCOE.... it was late..

Apart from the kitchen sieve it's a tidy engine bay.