kid run over on crossing
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wasn't sure whether to post about this, cos there isn't much point except as a story...but still...
Monday evening, London Colney High Street, a small girl (I'd guess 8 - 10) was crossing on a pelican crossing on her pushbike. A bus (a f**king bid red double decker monkey) was stopped allowing her to cross.... Driving the other way was a chap in his blue Golf Gti. Lives about ten yards past the crossing. He was speeding - reckon must have been doing 40 - and Im SURE that's what'll get reported in the paper. The thing is, he didnt START braking until a foot in front of the crossing - the skid marks then continue for 25 foot into the kerb. He hit the girl still going around 30. She easily cleared roof height on the bus.....was one of the scariest things i've ever seen and pretty damn horrible.
I think her young age might have helped save her lfie (though I dont know if she is sitll alive but the paramedic seemed fairly hopeful) as I think she was relatively springy....the amount of blood and the astonishing split in the back of her skull did rather suggest otherwise.
Sad and horrible...but I really hope it gets understood as proving the problem if people dont pay attention. 20mph or 60 would have made no difference. He should never have been given a license.
Not sure whay I've posted this - cos it hardly makes a worthwhile point - but it does make you stop and think a bit I have to say
Night
Monday evening, London Colney High Street, a small girl (I'd guess 8 - 10) was crossing on a pelican crossing on her pushbike. A bus (a f**king bid red double decker monkey) was stopped allowing her to cross.... Driving the other way was a chap in his blue Golf Gti. Lives about ten yards past the crossing. He was speeding - reckon must have been doing 40 - and Im SURE that's what'll get reported in the paper. The thing is, he didnt START braking until a foot in front of the crossing - the skid marks then continue for 25 foot into the kerb. He hit the girl still going around 30. She easily cleared roof height on the bus.....was one of the scariest things i've ever seen and pretty damn horrible.
I think her young age might have helped save her lfie (though I dont know if she is sitll alive but the paramedic seemed fairly hopeful) as I think she was relatively springy....the amount of blood and the astonishing split in the back of her skull did rather suggest otherwise.
Sad and horrible...but I really hope it gets understood as proving the problem if people dont pay attention. 20mph or 60 would have made no difference. He should never have been given a license.
Not sure whay I've posted this - cos it hardly makes a worthwhile point - but it does make you stop and think a bit I have to say
Night
Hate to say it but speed does have a relevance here. If he'd been going slower he would have still hit her but proportionately less hard. It is, though, a case of inappropriate speed and has no bearing on 73 on a motorway. Very very sad - the poor child will never be the same even if, DV, she lived.
I don't know (wasn't there; Nightmare was and may want to elaborate), but aren't you supposed to dismount before crossing with a bike?
Also, NM said it was a Pelican crossing and that the bus had stopped to let her cross. Does that imply that the lights were on green for traffic?
From the facts as described, the story could be interpreted as: kid on bike cycles across the road against a red crossing light, driver with only a few yards in which to react does their level best to avoid, but tradegy ensues.
Horrific and tragic, but not clear-cut from what was posted.
Also, NM said it was a Pelican crossing and that the bus had stopped to let her cross. Does that imply that the lights were on green for traffic?
From the facts as described, the story could be interpreted as: kid on bike cycles across the road against a red crossing light, driver with only a few yards in which to react does their level best to avoid, but tradegy ensues.
Horrific and tragic, but not clear-cut from what was posted.
Good point pdV6. If it was a Pelican crossing you are certainly not supposed to ride a bike across it but she was a kid FFS. However, if it was a Toucan crossing you can ride across it. (Aren't those names just patronising?) The nub of it was what was the state of the signals: red or green?
motco said:
Good point pdV6. If it was a Pelican crossing you are certainly not supposed to ride a bike across it but she was a kid FFS. However, if it was a Toucan crossing you can ride across it. (Aren't those names just patronising?) The nub of it was what was the state of the signals: red or green?
It shouldn't matter what colour the lights were or whether the kid was on a bike or not. It's a crossing - kids will do silly things on crossings, an adult driver should take that into account and prepare accordingly.
sorry - my error in typing...actually a zebra crossing (so flashing globes at each end, driver give way if someone wauiting to cross or crossing). The kid was 100% in the right
re: dismounting. didnt know that, but if he hadnt noticed a bus stoppde and a kid on a bright pink bike then I dont think it would have mattered whether she was walking or riding to be honest
apologies for using wron crossing....assuming Ive now got it right?
re: dismounting. didnt know that, but if he hadnt noticed a bus stoppde and a kid on a bright pink bike then I dont think it would have mattered whether she was walking or riding to be honest
apologies for using wron crossing....assuming Ive now got it right?
Last week I came across an accident, which must have just happened, where a motorcyclist had hit a stone wall on a bad bend, miles from anywhere on the Woodhead pass near Glossop.
He was lying motionless in the carriageway with a small crowd of people round him and (I presume) a passing motorist giving him the kiss of life....
There was blood all over the place.
It nearly made me physically sick,....... how the Police and paramedics can have the stomach for this job I often wonder,,,
So, drive carefully out there, DONT take chances, it could be you next, you only live once.......
He was lying motionless in the carriageway with a small crowd of people round him and (I presume) a passing motorist giving him the kiss of life....
There was blood all over the place.
It nearly made me physically sick,....... how the Police and paramedics can have the stomach for this job I often wonder,,,
So, drive carefully out there, DONT take chances, it could be you next, you only live once.......
Streetcop said:
snake pass or woodhead pass...?
Nasty business fatal motorcycle accidents..
Street
Actually Gary, this happened on the B6105 which runs betwwen Glossop town centre traffic lights, and links up with the Woodhead Pass,via Torside. just before the turn off for Holmes Moss.
The accident occured about 200 yards from Devil's Elbow.....
I just felt so useless and inadequate, no Red cross training, nothing, even the battery on my
mobile was flat. I suspect he was out on a run with his mates cos' it was a lovely evening, and there were four or five bikes parked up next to the scene, the riders looking on with worried looks on their faces.
I really hope he was OK, but it didn't look good.....
My youngest son who is sixteen wants to be a paramedic, I only hope he has the stomach for it.......
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I think I can see the reason for this accident quite clearly...
It was all the kid's fault as the driver had not right to expect a child to be actually using the proper method of crossing a road, and at a designated crossing.
I mean, who actually crosses at a crossing nowadays?
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I think I can see the reason for this accident quite clearly...
It was all the kid's fault as the driver had not right to expect a child to be actually using the proper method of crossing a road, and at a designated crossing.
I mean, who actually crosses at a crossing nowadays?
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PetrolTed said:
Good point pdV6. If it was a Pelican crossing you are certainly not supposed to ride a bike across it but she was a kid FFS. However, if it was a Toucan crossing you can ride across it. (Aren't those names just patronising?) The nub of it was what was the state of the signals: red or green?
It shouldn't matter what colour the lights were or whether the kid was on a bike or not. It's a crossing - kids will do silly things on crossings, an adult driver should take that into account and prepare accordingly.
I agree, was just playing
's advocate! How would any of us feel if a cyclist charged into the road 5m in front of us, coming straight out of a house / from behind a wall etc. giving you no time to react?
I still think you're supposed to dismount for a Zebra crossing, but at least the kid in question was actually using one rather than wandering aimlessly into the road.
With the additional facts NM has posted, it would seem that the driver was being a bit of a tit... 100% extra concentration needed at crossings!
As an aside, I once witnessed an old dear get run over on a Pelican crossing. She ambled up to the crossing (quite briskly, actually), pressed the button and stepped straight out into the road without looking. Screech. Thump.
Of course, by the time the driver had jumped out to see if she was ok, the lights had turned red and a few passer's by were starting to get on their high horses. Luckily for her (the driver) there were plenty of us who'd seen the whole thing and could attest to the numptiness of the old dear. Luckily the driver couldn't have been doing more than about 20mph...
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