Transferring a number from a pre 1960 car post November?
Transferring a number from a pre 1960 car post November?
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Huntsman

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9,310 posts

279 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Until now to remove a number plate from a car onto retention or another vehicle you had to MOT the car.

What's the situation regarding pre 1960 cars and doing this after the MOT requirement goes in November this year?

Anybody know?

Humper

946 posts

191 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Transfer requirements unchanged, still needs MOT to transfer reg.

Huntsman

Original Poster:

9,310 posts

279 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Humper said:
Transfer requirements unchanged, still needs MOT to transfer reg.
Thank you.

I'm not about to perpetrate such a thing, I was just wondering.

Humper

946 posts

191 months

Sunday 14th October 2012
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Huntsman said:
Thank you.

I'm not about to perpetrate such a thing, I was just wondering.
Never understood that line of thought? I've sold regs, generally to recoup some resto costs.
If my car is worth say 10k and someone wants to offer me half that for its reg its a done deal. Sadly my principles are tempered with cash flow issues wink

Huntsman

Original Poster:

9,310 posts

279 months

Sunday 14th October 2012
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Humper said:
Never understood that line of thought? I've sold regs, generally to recoup some resto costs.
If my car is worth say 10k and someone wants to offer me half that for its reg its a done deal. Sadly my principles are tempered with cash flow issues wink
Fair enough, I understand why people might, my nostalgia gene is too prominent.

a8hex

5,832 posts

252 months

Sunday 14th October 2012
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Humper said:
Transfer requirements unchanged, still needs MOT to transfer reg.
So does this mean that if they really do do away with MOTs for pre 1960s cars that it will not be possible to transfer number plates any longer?

RonnieH

75 posts

283 months

Sunday 14th October 2012
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What I hope it means is that mots on pre 1960 cars will be voluntary, not compulsory, therefore it would still be possible to mot an older vehicle!!

Humper

946 posts

191 months

Sunday 14th October 2012
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a8hex said:
So does this mean that if they really do do away with MOTs for pre 1960s cars that it will not be possible to transfer number plates any longer?
No, you just get your car MOT'd, it won't be illegal to HAVE an MOT wink

mph

2,376 posts

311 months

Sunday 14th October 2012
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Humper said:
No, you just get your car MOT'd, it won't be illegal to HAVE an MOT wink
And if it fails, you don't have to fix it and you don't have to inform your insurers and you can still drive it.

Great new legislation.

a8hex

5,832 posts

252 months

Sunday 14th October 2012
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Humper said:
a8hex said:
So does this mean that if they really do do away with MOTs for pre 1960s cars that it will not be possible to transfer number plates any longer?
No, you just get your car MOT'd, it won't be illegal to HAVE an MOT wink
I'm glad it will still be possible to get the car MOT'd, its quite a cheap way of getting a fairly thorough inspection done on the car... provided you are lucky enough to know an MOT tester who knows there way around a classic car. I could see people entering the market offering checks of your classic car, taking one look at the bonnet badge (no mascot on mine, although it did have back in about 1960) and doubling the price.

srob

12,517 posts

267 months

Monday 15th October 2012
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Humper said:
Never understood that line of thought? I've sold regs, generally to recoup some resto costs.
If my car is worth say 10k and someone wants to offer me half that for its reg its a done deal. Sadly my principles are tempered with cash flow issues wink
I think it's a real shame when cars/bikes are parted from their original registrations, purely because it becomes so hard to trace histories.

Who keeps a record of the engine/frame number - nobody. But, old photo's of vehicles usually show their registration numbers. My brother was recently contacted by the son of the man who bought his 1928 Rex Acme motorbike new, because he recognised the (quite unusual) registration from a photo in a magazine. My brother now has copies of all the original bills, insurance certs etc from the fella. Wouldn't have happened had the bike's number been changed!

1 PST

195 posts

176 months

Monday 15th October 2012
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Just be careful, not all reg numbers are transferable. I was offered a Morris Miner a few years ago for £50,000 as its reg number is 1AN. The problem being is the reg number is stuck on that car and not transferable. I cant remember why, but I'm sure someone on here will know.

na

7,898 posts

263 months

Monday 15th October 2012
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srob said:
Who keeps a record of the engine/frame number - nobody.
that's not quite right, some models have original records still available

onomatopoeia

3,526 posts

246 months

Monday 15th October 2012
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mph said:
Humper said:
No, you just get your car MOT'd, it won't be illegal to HAVE an MOT wink
And if it fails, you don't have to fix it and you don't have to inform your insurers and you can still drive it.

Great new legislation.
No, you can't. You still have to comply with construction and use, which a car that cannot pass an MOT does not. You can no more still drive it that you can still drive a post 1960 car with no MOT.

An MOT only demonstrates the car was of a standard to pass them MOT when presented for the test. Half an hour later it might not be, never mind 11 months later.

srob

12,517 posts

267 months

Monday 15th October 2012
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na said:
srob said:
Who keeps a record of the engine/frame number - nobody.
that's not quite right, some models have original records still available
Sorry, what I meant really was when trying to trace former keepers, not dispatch records.

Old photo's show up registration numbers, but not the engine/frame numbers and half the fun of old vehicles is tracing their history, I think smile

mph

2,376 posts

311 months

Monday 15th October 2012
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onomatopoeia said:
No, you can't. You still have to comply with construction and use, which a car that cannot pass an MOT does not. You can no more still drive it that you can still drive a post 1960 car with no MOT.

An MOT only demonstrates the car was of a standard to pass them MOT when presented for the test. Half an hour later it might not be, never mind 11 months later.
Okay, technically you're correct but I don't know many people who regularly pull out a copy of the construction and use requirements.

The whole issue is ridiculous.

Logically more attention should be paid to the safe condition of older vehicles, not less.

Humper

946 posts

191 months

Monday 15th October 2012
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For me its a monetery concern, im concerned when I dont have any wink
I sold the number on my Cortina years ago, it sold for what I paid for the car. I wanted the car, wasnt fussed about the number, hence a free car smile
Also, dvla will give you previous reg details for.a.fiver, I traced the ownership of my Cortina back.to 62 when it was first sold.

And MOT exemption is one of the silliest ideas dreamt up

srob

12,517 posts

267 months

Monday 15th October 2012
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Humper said:
For me its a monetery concern, im concerned when I dont have any wink
I sold the number on my Cortina years ago, it sold for what I paid for the car. I wanted the car, wasnt fussed about the number, hence a free car smile
Also, dvla will give you previous reg details for.a.fiver, I traced the ownership of my Cortina back.to 62 when it was first sold.

And MOT exemption is one of the silliest ideas dreamt up
Do you know how far back their records go?

It would be good to find out some details of some of the 1920s bikes, could get costly at a fiver a throw though hehe

mph

2,376 posts

311 months

Monday 15th October 2012
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srob said:
Do you know how far back their records go?

It would be good to find out some details of some of the 1920s bikes, could get costly at a fiver a throw though hehe
It's not always good to find out the details. Friends Velocette Thruxton with extensive history and club authenticity certificate turned out to have started life as something else entirely.

On the flip side another friend had located virtually every previous owner of his BSA Gold Star as a result of the DVLA search. One of whom had owned the bike without his wife's knowledge only to be rumbled fourty years later as a result of my friends letter !

It is surprising how few people know about this DVLA service.


srob

12,517 posts

267 months

Monday 15th October 2012
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mph said:
It's not always good to find out the details. Friends Velocette Thruxton with extensive history and club authenticity certificate turned out to have started life as something else entirely.

On the flip side another friend had located virtually every previous owner of his BSA Gold Star as a result of the DVLA search. One of whom had owned the bike without his wife's knowledge only to be rumbled fourty years later as a result of my friends letter !

It is surprising how few people know about this DVLA service.
Yeah I guess that's a problem. Your friend was unlucky to get stung with the Thruxton though, I guess it had the VMT crankcases but a Venom frame? I thought all the dispatch records for later Velo's were still available?

Most of our bikes have a pretty well known history already. Mainly because Dad's either owned them for years or he knew those that had them new(ish). He bought a BSA v-twin a year or so ago and the auctioneer made a big fuss of how exciting it will be for the new owner to trace the history of the bike. The old man looked in the log book, read the name and declared he used to work with the bloke. That was the end of the excitement there hehe

We've got another bike that was registered new in Northern Ireland in the late twenties, so it has a "Z" plate. It really stands out and people often ask about it, which is nice as we know the history, so it's a good talking point. Although it looks like one of those chavvy number plates usually seen on battered old Vectras with big spoilers smile