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So, I'm eating loads of natural fat. Have done for ages, nuts, eggs, meats, full fat milk, small amounts of cheese etc. Not really touching carbs, or sugars during the week at least (weekends are eat everything in sight)
I feel great - my health has never been better. Fit as I've ever been, really lean too.
What damage could I be doing, eating so much fat?
I feel great - my health has never been better. Fit as I've ever been, really lean too.
What damage could I be doing, eating so much fat?
High fat, low carb is likely to raise your cholesterol, which the docs don't like.
Personally I think it is high fat, high sugar that is bad for us, but that got morphed into 'high fat is bad' under legal advice from Messrs. Tate and Lyle's expensive lawyers. It certainly explains a lot of the 'exceptions' in diet vs. health across the globe.
Personally I think it is high fat, high sugar that is bad for us, but that got morphed into 'high fat is bad' under legal advice from Messrs. Tate and Lyle's expensive lawyers. It certainly explains a lot of the 'exceptions' in diet vs. health across the globe.
Nutrition is not a component of fitness.If it makes you feel good because you've lost weight it's because you were overweight before.
The body needs carbohydrates for energy. You may last up to 2 weeks exercising without carbs but you will crash.
What you may not realise is that to gain what little energy there is from fats you need some of the chemical intermediaries of carbohydrate breakdown to be present. What this means is that pure fat cannot be used as an energy source.
If you eat carbs at the weekend you actually have a pretty normal diet..just spread out over the week differently. Glycogen storage will take place as normal.
What harm can you be doing by eating saturated fat? Not a lot if it's a small amount.
The body needs carbohydrates for energy. You may last up to 2 weeks exercising without carbs but you will crash.
What you may not realise is that to gain what little energy there is from fats you need some of the chemical intermediaries of carbohydrate breakdown to be present. What this means is that pure fat cannot be used as an energy source.
If you eat carbs at the weekend you actually have a pretty normal diet..just spread out over the week differently. Glycogen storage will take place as normal.
What harm can you be doing by eating saturated fat? Not a lot if it's a small amount.
Yep. Unnatural sources of sugar (or rather, refined carbs) are the main problem.
It's about proportions. If you ate loads of red meat all the time, your sat fat intake would be far higher than your poly and mono. But with nuts particularly in your diet, you shouldn't really have a worry as these are high enough in poly and mono to probably cancel out the other stuff. Again, depends on how much you eat of each.
Don't forget, you *need* sat fats in your diet. They are not the enemy. Media sensationalism and corporate greed are your enemy.
It's about proportions. If you ate loads of red meat all the time, your sat fat intake would be far higher than your poly and mono. But with nuts particularly in your diet, you shouldn't really have a worry as these are high enough in poly and mono to probably cancel out the other stuff. Again, depends on how much you eat of each.
Don't forget, you *need* sat fats in your diet. They are not the enemy. Media sensationalism and corporate greed are your enemy.
I'm almost convinced it's wheat/corn based foods and additives that are the issue, for me at least. Avoiding bread in particular improves my 'movements'.
I eat carbohydrates as well as protein and fat in pretty much equal proportions (calorie wise) I suspect, though I don't actually measure or count anything any more.
I eat carbohydrates as well as protein and fat in pretty much equal proportions (calorie wise) I suspect, though I don't actually measure or count anything any more.
MocMocaMoc said:
So, I'm eating loads of natural fat. Have done for ages, nuts, eggs, meats, full fat milk, small amounts of cheese etc. Not really touching carbs, or sugars during the week at least (weekends are eat everything in sight)
I feel great - my health has never been better. Fit as I've ever been, really lean too.
What damage could I be doing, eating so much fat?
I knew a fella who went on a high fat diet, strawberries and cream for brekky etc. He said the fat dropped off him. He had lots of energy to work out. No high GI, limited carbs.I feel great - my health has never been better. Fit as I've ever been, really lean too.
What damage could I be doing, eating so much fat?
Heres my problem
my daily diet consists of Breakfast 2 eggs on 1 toast wholemeal a little bit of half fat cheese with sliced tomatoes , lunch tin of tuna a bit of salad , and evening meal varies every day bt normally chicken with potatoes and veg or chicken kebab (breast chicken), I am 5 foot 9 and weigh in at 16 stone I have a very busy job selfemployed, I walk the dog for 2 miles every morning and evening I cycle with the dog I go to the gym 3 times a week lifting heavt weights with a protean shake after,I have a feew drinks at the week end I would say my averge calories is approx 2000 to 2500 a day. I cant seem to shift fat and I have highest blood pressure when on a cross training machine and my heart rete was 160 bpm after 10 mins is this high and what an I doing wrong as I can shift any weight ?
my daily diet consists of Breakfast 2 eggs on 1 toast wholemeal a little bit of half fat cheese with sliced tomatoes , lunch tin of tuna a bit of salad , and evening meal varies every day bt normally chicken with potatoes and veg or chicken kebab (breast chicken), I am 5 foot 9 and weigh in at 16 stone I have a very busy job selfemployed, I walk the dog for 2 miles every morning and evening I cycle with the dog I go to the gym 3 times a week lifting heavt weights with a protean shake after,I have a feew drinks at the week end I would say my averge calories is approx 2000 to 2500 a day. I cant seem to shift fat and I have highest blood pressure when on a cross training machine and my heart rete was 160 bpm after 10 mins is this high and what an I doing wrong as I can shift any weight ?
GEWAGON said:
Heres my problem
my daily diet consists of Breakfast 2 eggs on 1 toast wholemeal a little bit of half fat cheese with sliced tomatoes , lunch tin of tuna a bit of salad , and evening meal varies every day bt normally chicken with potatoes and veg or chicken kebab (breast chicken), I am 5 foot 9 and weigh in at 16 stone I have a very busy job selfemployed, I walk the dog for 2 miles every morning and evening I cycle with the dog I go to the gym 3 times a week lifting heavt weights with a protean shake after,I have a feew drinks at the week end I would say my averge calories is approx 2000 to 2500 a day. I cant seem to shift fat and I have highest blood pressure when on a cross training machine and my heart rete was 160 bpm after 10 mins is this high and what an I doing wrong as I can shift any weight ?
There is a difference between heart rate and blood pressure. Heart rate goes up as you exercise harder, 160bpm is perfectly normal during exercise. When on the cross trainer my heart rate settles around 165-170 and I can push it to just over 180bpm during the highest resistance/final push. So nothing for you to worry about there. The fitter you are the harder you'll have to work to get your heart rate up and the faster you'll recover afterwards.my daily diet consists of Breakfast 2 eggs on 1 toast wholemeal a little bit of half fat cheese with sliced tomatoes , lunch tin of tuna a bit of salad , and evening meal varies every day bt normally chicken with potatoes and veg or chicken kebab (breast chicken), I am 5 foot 9 and weigh in at 16 stone I have a very busy job selfemployed, I walk the dog for 2 miles every morning and evening I cycle with the dog I go to the gym 3 times a week lifting heavt weights with a protean shake after,I have a feew drinks at the week end I would say my averge calories is approx 2000 to 2500 a day. I cant seem to shift fat and I have highest blood pressure when on a cross training machine and my heart rete was 160 bpm after 10 mins is this high and what an I doing wrong as I can shift any weight ?
Your diet looks ok, possibly try looking at portion sizes which was one of my problems
The other was eating a pack of buiscuits for lunch.Try jogging/running a bit while out with the dog, will help burn off a few more calories.
Xerstead said:
There is a difference between heart rate and blood pressure. Heart rate goes up as you exercise harder, 160bpm is perfectly normal during exercise. When on the cross trainer my heart rate settles around 165-170 and I can push it to just over 180bpm during the highest resistance/final push. So nothing for you to worry about there. The fitter you are the harder you'll have to work to get your heart rate up and the faster you'll recover afterwards.
Your diet looks ok, possibly try looking at portion sizes which was one of my problems The other was eating a pack of buiscuits for lunch.
Try jogging/running a bit while out with the dog, will help burn off a few more calories.
I snack only on peanuts a hand full a day only I think my main problem Is booze to be honest, I will have a couple fo glases of red wine 2 to 3 nights a week and a 3 or 4 pints of beers friday or sat night Your diet looks ok, possibly try looking at portion sizes which was one of my problems
The other was eating a pack of buiscuits for lunch.Try jogging/running a bit while out with the dog, will help burn off a few more calories.
I'm on the paleo diet, which sounds fundamentally similar to this (or at least I started on it, and then adapted it a bit).
Have been on it for almost a year now, and have no issues with tiredness or lack of energy, and while my lifts are down from where they were when I started, I've also gone from 85 to 65kg, and % wise, all lifts are up.
The only reason to eat carbs is because they're cheap fuel - great for people who have to feed labourers, less great for the labourers themselves.
ETA: when I refer to carbs I'm ignoring fruit and veg - they're great.
Have been on it for almost a year now, and have no issues with tiredness or lack of energy, and while my lifts are down from where they were when I started, I've also gone from 85 to 65kg, and % wise, all lifts are up.
The only reason to eat carbs is because they're cheap fuel - great for people who have to feed labourers, less great for the labourers themselves.
ETA: when I refer to carbs I'm ignoring fruit and veg - they're great.
Try knocking booze on the head completely on a school night.
My understanding (limited) is that alcohol is essentially a sugar and will prompt your system into storing fat.
I used to have a beer or a wine every night of the week. Stopped that 6 months ago and just binge drink at the weekends along with a carb reduction and a bit more running/circuit training. Lost 10kg.
My understanding (limited) is that alcohol is essentially a sugar and will prompt your system into storing fat.
I used to have a beer or a wine every night of the week. Stopped that 6 months ago and just binge drink at the weekends along with a carb reduction and a bit more running/circuit training. Lost 10kg.
dave_s13 said:
Try knocking booze on the head completely on a school night.
My understanding (limited) is that alcohol is essentially a sugar and will prompt your system into storing fat.
I used to have a beer or a wine every night of the week. Stopped that 6 months ago and just binge drink at the weekends along with a carb reduction and a bit more running/circuit training. Lost 10kg.
This sounds more appealing that totally cutting out booze altogether, I shall only drink on weekends only, also is this high I am 47 dont smoke quite active weigh 16 stone but quite muscular see previous post and my BP is 151/86 ?My understanding (limited) is that alcohol is essentially a sugar and will prompt your system into storing fat.
I used to have a beer or a wine every night of the week. Stopped that 6 months ago and just binge drink at the weekends along with a carb reduction and a bit more running/circuit training. Lost 10kg.
It's a bit high yeah.
Funny one though is BP. It can vary wildly. Mines is up a bit when I'm up and about then drops very low when at rest with a heart rate less than 50 sometimes.
Trouble is, GP's tend to treat the statistics with regard to BP rather than the person. If you went along with concerns to your GP (all things considered) you would just be told to lose a bit of fat and cut out salt/alcohol. You're gonna do that anyway so try it for a bit first and see if your BP comes down a bit.
Trouible with going to the docs is they find all sort of sheit wrong with you that you never even dreamed of
Funny one though is BP. It can vary wildly. Mines is up a bit when I'm up and about then drops very low when at rest with a heart rate less than 50 sometimes.
Trouble is, GP's tend to treat the statistics with regard to BP rather than the person. If you went along with concerns to your GP (all things considered) you would just be told to lose a bit of fat and cut out salt/alcohol. You're gonna do that anyway so try it for a bit first and see if your BP comes down a bit.
Trouible with going to the docs is they find all sort of sheit wrong with you that you never even dreamed of
LordGrover said:
I'm almost convinced it's wheat/corn based foods and additives that are the issue, for me at least. Avoiding bread in particular improves my 'movements'.
I eat carbohydrates as well as protein and fat in pretty much equal proportions (calorie wise) I suspect, though I don't actually measure or count anything any more.
Sure you're not just gluten intolerant?I eat carbohydrates as well as protein and fat in pretty much equal proportions (calorie wise) I suspect, though I don't actually measure or count anything any more.
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