Skip in the road - legalities and advice? BIB?
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Hi I don't know if anyone here can help. My brother had an accident a couple of days ago where he hit a skip - he is ok car needs about £1k worth of work.
The skip he hit has no cones around it, no lights or any kind of signs. Does anyone know what the regulations are and if he would have any chance to try and claim some money back from the skip people?
Everyone I have asked has said talk to the council as they are meant to have permission to put a skip in the road, the council said talk to the police.
Can anyone help with any advice?
Thanks
Carrie
The skip he hit has no cones around it, no lights or any kind of signs. Does anyone know what the regulations are and if he would have any chance to try and claim some money back from the skip people?
Everyone I have asked has said talk to the council as they are meant to have permission to put a skip in the road, the council said talk to the police.
Can anyone help with any advice?
Thanks
Carrie
Carrie IIRC if the skip is in the road then the council needs to be notified, and the requisit cones and lights on the skip displayed. However again IIRC it is the person who has hired the skip that is responsible to ensure that all legal stuff is complete. Therefore probably not worth going after the owners of the skip, but the people who have hired it.
HTH, please let me know if I have got this all wrong, as I need to hire a skip in the near future.
HTH, please let me know if I have got this all wrong, as I need to hire a skip in the near future.
The council (AFAIK) actually has to give permission for the skip. Again AFAIK you need cones and, if the street is unlit, lights. This is down to the hirer of the skip to sort out, but they will probably claim students nicked them
On the subject of councils, we hired a skip a couple of years ago on a narrow road and the council (Bristol:rolleyes) insisted we have traffic lights. Until we pointed out that it was a one-way street
On the subject of councils, we hired a skip a couple of years ago on a narrow road and the council (Bristol:rolleyes) insisted we have traffic lights. Until we pointed out that it was a one-way street
Control of Builder skips on Highways is covered by Sect 139 Highways Act 1980.
A skip shall not be deposited on a highway without the permission of the Local Authority for the highway.
LA may impose conditions as to siting, dimensions, visiblity through paint, manner in which lighted.
If deposited without permission offence by owner of skip. 1000 pound fine.
Where deposited with permission owner of skip shall ensure it is properley lighted during hours of darkness, that it is clearly marked with owners name and telephone number or address. Again offence not to do so - same fine.
Owner has get out clause in that if he can prove the commission of offence was due to act/default of another person and that he took all reasonable precautions and exercised due diligence to avoid committing the offence by himself or person under his control.
Should be sufficient above to show negligence by skip owner from what you say.
DVD
A skip shall not be deposited on a highway without the permission of the Local Authority for the highway.
LA may impose conditions as to siting, dimensions, visiblity through paint, manner in which lighted.
If deposited without permission offence by owner of skip. 1000 pound fine.
Where deposited with permission owner of skip shall ensure it is properley lighted during hours of darkness, that it is clearly marked with owners name and telephone number or address. Again offence not to do so - same fine.
Owner has get out clause in that if he can prove the commission of offence was due to act/default of another person and that he took all reasonable precautions and exercised due diligence to avoid committing the offence by himself or person under his control.
Should be sufficient above to show negligence by skip owner from what you say.
DVD
I have a skip outside my house at the moment. The people I hired the skip from have a licence to place the skip on the road. I'm sure there are rules and regs concerning this.
With regards to the markings....there are no lights but there are cones.
I think in reality it will be difficult to get any kind of compensation because it would be very easy for the people responsible to say that there were cones etc round it but vandals must have nicked them.
With regards to the markings....there are no lights but there are cones.
I think in reality it will be difficult to get any kind of compensation because it would be very easy for the people responsible to say that there were cones etc round it but vandals must have nicked them.
How on earth did that happen? Was it a head-on or a side scrape?
Granted it may have happened when it was dark, perhaps there were no streetlights overhead, but how does one not see a great big yellow skip? Parked cars (or people) don't have cones around them, lights or any kind of signs, how are these any different?
Granted it may have happened when it was dark, perhaps there were no streetlights overhead, but how does one not see a great big yellow skip? Parked cars (or people) don't have cones around them, lights or any kind of signs, how are these any different?
GiJoe said:
I think in reality it will be difficult to get any kind of compensation because it would be very easy for the people responsible to say that there were cones etc round it but vandals must have nicked them.
But from the posting above liability rests with the skip owners to prove that somebody else removed the lights/cones etc. That wouldn't be so easy unless they can provide witnesses. I think the burden may rest with the skip company.
supraman2954 said:
How on earth did that happen? Was it a head-on or a side scrape?
Granted it may have happened when it was dark, perhaps there were no streetlights overhead, but how does one not see a great big yellow skip? Parked cars (or people) don't have cones around them, lights or any kind of signs, how are these any different?
Seconded. How do you drive into a skip? Worrying.....
In broad daylight! 
Skip was full of soil and made one hell of a mess of the front of the carsupraman2954 said:
How on earth did that happen? Was it a head-on or a side scrape?
Granted it may have happened when it was dark, perhaps there were no streetlights overhead, but how does one not see a great big yellow skip? Parked cars (or people) don't have cones around them, lights or any kind of signs, how are these any different?
That was my first thought....then I looked out of my lounge window.....our skip is ...blue.....at night....oh dear!!!!!
Boosted Ls1 said:
I think in reality it will be difficult to get any kind of compensation because it would be very easy for the people responsible to say that there were cones etc round it but vandals must have nicked them.
But from the posting above liability rests with the skip owners to prove that somebody else removed the lights/cones etc. That wouldn't be so easy unless they can provide witnesses. I think the burden may rest with the skip company.
I'm not a lawyer so I can't comment truly on this. My only guess is that part of the whole licence issue process is that you can satisfy the local authority that you routinely follow your own guidelines for placing the skip???
Themoss said:
How on earth did that happen? Was it a head-on or a side scrape?
Granted it may have happened when it was dark, perhaps there were no streetlights overhead, but how does one not see a great big yellow skip? Parked cars (or people) don't have cones around them, lights or any kind of signs, how are these any different?
Seconded. How do you drive into a skip? Worrying.....
Thirded. If I park my car in the street, should I start putting cones round it?
Sorry to sound sarcastic, but really, HOW do you drive into something the size of a skip without seeing it? distracted perhaps?
Phil
philthy said:
Thirded. If I park my car in the street, should I start putting cones round it?
Sorry to sound sarcastic, but really, HOW do you drive into something the size of a skip without seeing it? distracted perhaps?
Phil
Possibly, or perhaps the skip is not a bright colour, perhaps street lighting is not working (surely not!), perhaps the driver swerved to avoid a cat or some numpty opening a car door into the road.
Irrespective of fault, I really hate skips on the road. They are not very forgiving items to hit.
Mr2Mike said:
Irrespective of fault, I really hate skips on the road. They are not very forgiving items to hit.
My point exactly mike, if you'd seen it why would anybody choose to drive into that, rather than anything else?. Obviously, if it was a child or another person I wouldn't hesitate to hit the skip.
Phil
Most skips have reflectors on them. The same type as the ones seen on the back of lorries.
Oh, and a small piece of advice for all those Hiring skips and leaving them in the road.
If you want to stop people filling up your skip overnight, ask for an Enclosed.
Enclosed skips have a padlockable metal or pvc lid. If your getting a builders skip (Roll on Roll Off type) you are unlikely to be able to get these, so the best is either an 8yrd or 12 yrd Enclosed Skip
Oh, and a small piece of advice for all those Hiring skips and leaving them in the road.
If you want to stop people filling up your skip overnight, ask for an Enclosed.
Enclosed skips have a padlockable metal or pvc lid. If your getting a builders skip (Roll on Roll Off type) you are unlikely to be able to get these, so the best is either an 8yrd or 12 yrd Enclosed Skip
tvradict said:
Most skips have reflectors on them. The same type as the ones seen on the back of lorries.
Oh, and a small piece of advice for all those Hiring skips and leaving them in the road.
If you want to stop people filling up your skip overnight, ask for an Enclosed.
Enclosed skips have a padlockable metal or pvc lid. If your getting a builders skip (Roll on Roll Off type) you are unlikely to be able to get these, so the best is either an 8yrd or 12 yrd Enclosed Skip
Skips to be left on the public highway have to have yellow painted ends and reflectors. You would probably not legaly be allowed to leave a 12 yard skip on the road overnight as they fall outside the dimensions allowed by most councils. They should have lights placed on the side, but the skip company or council (depending on who obtains the permit) should tell the hirer all this, BTW most councils require a permit to cross a pavement with a skip as well.
carrie, tell your brother to look where he is going in future
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