Sanity and TVR pricing

[Obiwonkeyblokey]

With Sagaris now hitting 60k and the best Cerbs coming out at 20k, can a sag really be worth three times a cerb? As much as I love them I just cant see the objective value for one over the other. I cant comment on T cars as I havent owned one ( but have driven many). But as a long time TVR owner and enthusiast, is a sag really worth three times a great Cerb?

i wonder what the best bang for buck TVR ownership option is right now...

[pjac67]

Supply and demand Owen as I am sure you know, although I think you have to be a bit brave at current Sag prices, although probably still represent better investment/ VFM than equivalent priced Fezza/Aston??

Best bang for buck has to be an RV8 powered 80's/90's TVR a la Wedge/Griff variety ie £3k/£10k (V8S pricey in comparison due to numbers...)

Paul.

[pwd95]

Same situation with Wedges. Is a SEAC worth three 400SE's. Same car with a few tweeks. Also Chim\Griff. Odd situation.

[robsco]

Early 4.2 Cerberas offer the best bang for buck in the TVR range.

[Obiwonkeyblokey]

^^^ Id love to agree wholeheartedly with this but for me its the pre 80's and the mint griff 500's. I think if you spent 60k on a sag you could drop a bk. as much as I love TVRs and ive owned many, 60k for a Sag seems a little steep.

[BliarOut]

pjac67 said:

Supply and demand Owen as I am sure you know, although I think you have to be a bit brave at current Sag prices, although probably still represent better investment/ VFM than equivalent priced Fezza/Aston??

Best bang for buck has to be an RV8 powered 80's/90's TVR a la Wedge/Griff variety ie £3k/£10k (V8S pricey in comparison due to numbers...)

Paul.

A £10k Griff will be a hound...

[Obiwonkeyblokey]

i agree, but around 16k+ would be money well spent i think.( for the right car)

[crazyidea]

Of the T cars it has to be the Tamora, same basic underpinnings to the 350 but 8-10K cheaper, looks are a matter of taste but there are less Tams on the road than Sags and if this is about supply...

[TVR_owner]

crazyidea said:

Of the T cars it has to be the Tamora, same basic underpinnings to the 350 but 8-10K cheaper, looks are a matter of taste but there are less Tams on the road than Sags and if this is about supply...

I'm not sure there are less Tams than Sags.

not trying to tak either up or down here as we are lucky enough to have a foot in both camps

How much would a mint unmolested 1 owner sub 10,000 mile high spec 4.5 Cerb spec sell for? That should be the comparision surely??

Edited by TVR_owner on Sunday 21st October 08:16

[anonymous-user]

TVR_owner said:

crazyidea said:

Of the T cars it has to be the Tamora, same basic underpinnings to the 350 but 8-10K cheaper, looks are a matter of taste but there are less Tams on the road than Sags and if this is about supply...

I'm not sure there are less Sags than Tams.

Regardless of numbers, I'd agree that Tams provide the best value.

[gutu12]

Isn't it more realistic to compare same era cars?

From an investment perspective and looking at the recent rise in Griff prices could it be that Griffiths are currently the real value for money TVR. Surely if they continue rise they will be.

SE: Anything from £33k - £40k. (Although Bespoke Performance have a slightly tatty one a bit cheaper....)
I honestly came very close to buying an excellent example SE last year for mid 20's!!!

A good '99 Griff will now cost you around £30k (perhaps a tad more for a very good one).

Mid to late 90s Griffs: Depends completely on condition of course, but anything between £15k and late £20's....

Early 4.0 Ltrs: we've all seen examples for £13k for a standard good condition car, right?! A BV obviously more!

Now admittedly these are mostly dealer prices and some of the cars have not sold quickly or even at all but when a rarer car does come up clealy it is going to cost the buyer a premium, especially if the colour combo is "right" for that particular model.
In answer to the question (sorry). Cerb prices (and believe me I think the 4.5 is the best TVR of all time) are hampered purely by the number of cars out there.
There's more choice so more competition to sell. It's economics.

Now against that, My old Red Rosé L/W recently came up for sale. This is a rare, rare car, was obviously under priced and sold immediately (early £20's I believe).
A car only three years older than the first Sags but by far a faster car and although not so insane to look at is certainly is at least as insane to drive.

Now the real question is why aren't reflex charcoal Tuscan convertables worth more

Edited by gutu12 on Sunday 21st October 08:45

[TVR_owner]

Obiwonkeyblokey said:

With Sagaris now hitting 60k and the best Cerbs coming out at 20k, can a sag really be worth three times a cerb? As much as I love them I just cant see the objective value for one over the other. I cant comment on T cars as I havent owned one ( but have driven many). But as a long time TVR owner and enthusiast, is a sag really worth three times a great Cerb?

i wonder what the best bang for buck TVR ownership option is right now...

Owen,
Answer 1.
If you want a very good Sag, you have to pay the market value, which is currently mid 50s from a dealer.
Answer 2 is subjective, I think at low 20s for a very good Tamora, from a dealer, then the Tam has to be a contender. (Marmite caveat applies to all cars)

[swisstoni]

Because it is so small, the TVR market is easily manipulated and distorted. Some dealer probably stuck a Sagaris up for silly money and lo and behold some berk came along and paid it. Suddenly all Sagaris's are worth that.

We might have to wait 5 or 10 years for everything to pan out sensibly. Until then there are plenty of great cars out there that are under appreciated.

[Don1]

Actually Sags haven't gone beneath £30k - the reason that they are shooting up (IMHO), is that they are the poster child of TVR. Coupled with that, the car collectors are starting to get interested, and the price is going up. My Sag was brought a few years ago at £40k, the same price it would have fetched at the beginning of this year. Only recently have the prices gone up... Car dealers may be putting them at those prices, but then again they are getting the asking price.

Simply put the Sagaris was one of the best cars TVR produced, and it looks insane (that translated will in print as well).

Is it worth that? It's worth what people will pay.

[Colin RedGriff]

Sanity and TVR in the same sentence....................that way madness lies.

[anonymous-user]

There also appears to be quite a steady stream of cars heading to Europe and Asia. It's now well known that TVR are never coming back, so some buyers are willing to accept RHD cars to get one.

[Guillotine]

I'd also say that to many, the Sag is the only SORTED TVR.
Stay with me - not my opinion...

After years of slagging off TVR, JC and Hampster, BOTH said that finally TVR had bought out a car that wasn't trying to kill you.
For the mass market, that brings it into porker territory.

1, Top Gear liked it.
2, Not many of them
3, People have forgotten the engine thing...
4, It LOOKS like a supercar (£100K), NOT a sportscar(£20K)

In those terms to the uninitiated...it's a bargain...which can only help the Marque.
All IMHO

[RichB]

gutu12 said:

A good '99 Griff will now cost you around £30k (perhaps a tad more for a very good one).

Is that the case?!? I'd better increase the insurance on mine then. I haven't been looking at prices because I'm not intending to sell but £30k

[Don1]

RichB said:

gutu12 said:

A good '99 Griff will now cost you around £30k (perhaps a tad more for a very good one).

Is that the case?!? I'd better increase the insurance on mine then. I haven't been looking at prices because I'm not intending to sell but £30k

Special Griff

[Englishman]

Obiwonkeyblokey said:

With Sagaris now hitting 60k and the best Cerbs coming out at 20k, can a sag really be worth three times a cerb?

I'm lucky enough to have one of each and yes, the Sagaris is worth a great deal more than the Cerb. Don't get me wrong, the Cerb is good, very good in parts, but the Sagaris is a great car, up there with the best. As Guillotine said, it is 'the only SORTED TVR' out of the factory.