Dark Grey Paint Swirls
Discussion
I have been painting and detailing cars for over 3 years now and normally any problems I come accross I can resolve one way or another, but in this case I am stuck!
I've been having a nightmare trying to get a dark grey car's paintwork back to mint, car was left standing for a year and had a hard life prior to that so when it came to me to tidy up it was a mess! The car now looks brilliant but there is still plenty of light swirls in the paint which I am struggling to chase out, I have tried used the following products -
3M fast cut
Poor boys black hole Glaze
Glare - Spider
Glare - Knock out
Glare - Microfinish
Dodo - purple haze
Gtechniq - Siloseal
After using all of the above I still have not got the perfect finish - any suggestions/products I can use? I have always used Farecla polishing heads - is there a better head I can use?? I don't want to keep spending money on new products which are no better than the last!
Thanks for any help!
I've been having a nightmare trying to get a dark grey car's paintwork back to mint, car was left standing for a year and had a hard life prior to that so when it came to me to tidy up it was a mess! The car now looks brilliant but there is still plenty of light swirls in the paint which I am struggling to chase out, I have tried used the following products -
3M fast cut
Poor boys black hole Glaze
Glare - Spider
Glare - Knock out
Glare - Microfinish
Dodo - purple haze
Gtechniq - Siloseal
After using all of the above I still have not got the perfect finish - any suggestions/products I can use? I have always used Farecla polishing heads - is there a better head I can use?? I don't want to keep spending money on new products which are no better than the last!
Thanks for any help!
I wasn't familiar with the Glare products prior to reading this, so I had a wee look at their website, they make some pretty bold claims regarding their products. Surely if they were as good as they claim you wouldn't have a problem. Poetic licencing?
Cant really ad anything other than start from scratch (pardon the pun) with perhaps a finer grade paper.
Cant really ad anything other than start from scratch (pardon the pun) with perhaps a finer grade paper.
JulesB said:
I have been painting and detailing cars for over 3 years now and normally any problems I come accross I can resolve one way or another, but in this case I am stuck!
I've been having a nightmare trying to get a dark grey car's paintwork back to mint, car was left standing for a year and had a hard life prior to that so when it came to me to tidy up it was a mess! The car now looks brilliant but there is still plenty of light swirls in the paint which I am struggling to chase out, I have tried used the following products -
3M fast cut
Poor boys black hole Glaze
Glare - Spider
Glare - Knock out
Glare - Microfinish
Dodo - purple haze
Gtechniq - Siloseal
After using all of the above I still have not got the perfect finish - any suggestions/products I can use? I have always used Farecla polishing heads - is there a better head I can use?? I don't want to keep spending money on new products which are no better than the last!
Thanks for any help!
I've been having a nightmare trying to get a dark grey car's paintwork back to mint, car was left standing for a year and had a hard life prior to that so when it came to me to tidy up it was a mess! The car now looks brilliant but there is still plenty of light swirls in the paint which I am struggling to chase out, I have tried used the following products -
3M fast cut
Poor boys black hole Glaze
Glare - Spider
Glare - Knock out
Glare - Microfinish
Dodo - purple haze
Gtechniq - Siloseal
After using all of the above I still have not got the perfect finish - any suggestions/products I can use? I have always used Farecla polishing heads - is there a better head I can use?? I don't want to keep spending money on new products which are no better than the last!
Thanks for any help!
For help i would say you are either not removing the swirls (very surprised if so as i have not had to use such a heavy hitter as fast cut plus for many years even on the thoughest paints)or leaving swirls from the 3m fast cut plus thou , darker colours WILL need at least a couple more passes with finer cutting compounds,
i would of thought you would know how to use glare products to thier best thou
any pics may help too,
then i can steer you in the right direction,
most of what you are asking is answered in this thread , and mainly by you
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
HTH kelly
No I have not given that a whirl yet, I have just bought a new head and spent some time on the bootlid with little improvement, my heads were not brand new but very well cared for with no tears and cleaned at the end of each day!
I am going to be spending some time on it flatting and polishing a few panels and see what the results are, 3M range is great so I will probably be using that.
I am going to be spending some time on it flatting and polishing a few panels and see what the results are, 3M range is great so I will probably be using that.
Err....grey paint? Is that all the clue you're going to give us to work on?
What marque/model? Refinished or factory paint?
What's your process been?
Are the swirls not coming out with FC+?
What grade of pad are you using?
In lieu of all the above, I'd steer you towards Scholl Concpets S17+, which is an excellent one-stepper, but also depending on pad used, can be heavy cut or refining, and finish off with S30 or 40 for dark paints.
I know one Australian detailer on DW talks about Glare (as formulated for their climate) has the ability to remove orangepeel without sanding first.
I still have my doubts about that, but that's a different subject for another time.
What marque/model? Refinished or factory paint?
What's your process been?
Are the swirls not coming out with FC+?
What grade of pad are you using?
In lieu of all the above, I'd steer you towards Scholl Concpets S17+, which is an excellent one-stepper, but also depending on pad used, can be heavy cut or refining, and finish off with S30 or 40 for dark paints.
I know one Australian detailer on DW talks about Glare (as formulated for their climate) has the ability to remove orangepeel without sanding first.
I still have my doubts about that, but that's a different subject for another time.
PJ S said:
Err....grey paint? Is that all the clue you're going to give us to work on?
What marque/model? Refinished or factory paint?
What's your process been?
Are the swirls not coming out with FC+?
What grade of pad are you using?
In lieu of all the above, I'd steer you towards Scholl Concpets S17+, which is an excellent one-stepper, but also depending on pad used, can be heavy cut or refining, and finish off with S30 or 40 for dark paints.
I know one Australian detailer on DW talks about Glare (as formulated for their climate) has the ability to remove orangepeel without sanding first.
I still have my doubts about that, but that's a different subject for another time.
Thank you for your input!What marque/model? Refinished or factory paint?
What's your process been?
Are the swirls not coming out with FC+?
What grade of pad are you using?
In lieu of all the above, I'd steer you towards Scholl Concpets S17+, which is an excellent one-stepper, but also depending on pad used, can be heavy cut or refining, and finish off with S30 or 40 for dark paints.
I know one Australian detailer on DW talks about Glare (as formulated for their climate) has the ability to remove orangepeel without sanding first.
I still have my doubts about that, but that's a different subject for another time.
Factory paint, only areas repainted is the front bumper and a section on the rear bumper. Car was washed, clayed, 3M fast cut, then Glared, when the Glare didn't get the results I needed I ventured into trialling a few other products. I have not had chance to go back and flat + polish the car which will be my next step.
I have been using a mix of Farecla cutting/finishing heads.
I'm in two minds about it doing that, it certainly helps hide the orange peel, but only to a certain extent in my experience, I wouldn't say remove though! I have been trialling another new polish which has been designed for bodyshop use that removes the need for sanding fresh repairs, it cuts the paint through heat alone. I don't rate it at the moment but I think it is because im not getting the paint/product hot enough for fear of making a mess of the job!
Is it just me, or are we none the wiser?
If you can't be arsed to bother answering ALL the questions, then I can't be arsed trying to extract the info in an effort to help you.
Here's a hint.......
Not all grey paints are the same, so you may as well have said it was pink, for all the use that information is in helping diagnose what you may be coming up against.
If you'd said it was black, and replied with Range Rover, then I could've instantly told you that you need a wetter compound like G3 as FC+ just clumps up.
As it is, it's grey paint on a car - yeah, that tells me it's obviously a BMW, where the paint is hard to correct, but easy to mark, or possibly "sticky" Porsche paint.
When I said process, I wasn't asking if you'd washed it or clayed it - those are a given for someone supposedly with 3 years experience of detailing!
I was trying to see where you had been, with what, and which stage was giving you grief.
But as above, I've ceased being interested in trying to help since you think revealing too much info is a bad thing!
If you can't be arsed to bother answering ALL the questions, then I can't be arsed trying to extract the info in an effort to help you.
Here's a hint.......
Not all grey paints are the same, so you may as well have said it was pink, for all the use that information is in helping diagnose what you may be coming up against.
If you'd said it was black, and replied with Range Rover, then I could've instantly told you that you need a wetter compound like G3 as FC+ just clumps up.
As it is, it's grey paint on a car - yeah, that tells me it's obviously a BMW, where the paint is hard to correct, but easy to mark, or possibly "sticky" Porsche paint.
When I said process, I wasn't asking if you'd washed it or clayed it - those are a given for someone supposedly with 3 years experience of detailing!
I was trying to see where you had been, with what, and which stage was giving you grief.
But as above, I've ceased being interested in trying to help since you think revealing too much info is a bad thing!
PJ S said:
Is it just me, or are we none the wiser?
If you can't be arsed to bother answering ALL the questions, then I can't be arsed trying to extract the info in an effort to help you.
Here's a hint.......
Not all grey paints are the same, so you may as well have said it was pink, for all the use that information is in helping diagnose what you may be coming up against.
If you'd said it was black, and replied with Range Rover, then I could've instantly told you that you need a wetter compound like G3 as FC+ just clumps up.
As it is, it's grey paint on a car - yeah, that tells me it's obviously a BMW, where the paint is hard to correct, but easy to mark, or possibly "sticky" Porsche paint.
When I said process, I wasn't asking if you'd washed it or clayed it - those are a given for someone supposedly with 3 years experience of detailing!
I was trying to see where you had been, with what, and which stage was giving you grief.
But as above, I've ceased being interested in trying to help since you think revealing too much info is a bad thing!
Crikey. Well thanks for you help up to this point, bit OTT don't you think?If you can't be arsed to bother answering ALL the questions, then I can't be arsed trying to extract the info in an effort to help you.
Here's a hint.......
Not all grey paints are the same, so you may as well have said it was pink, for all the use that information is in helping diagnose what you may be coming up against.
If you'd said it was black, and replied with Range Rover, then I could've instantly told you that you need a wetter compound like G3 as FC+ just clumps up.
As it is, it's grey paint on a car - yeah, that tells me it's obviously a BMW, where the paint is hard to correct, but easy to mark, or possibly "sticky" Porsche paint.
When I said process, I wasn't asking if you'd washed it or clayed it - those are a given for someone supposedly with 3 years experience of detailing!
I was trying to see where you had been, with what, and which stage was giving you grief.
But as above, I've ceased being interested in trying to help since you think revealing too much info is a bad thing!
You call it OTT, I merely consider it as frustration at being drip-fed snippets of pertinent information from someone seeking assistance with a problem they've not encountered before.
Good luck with finding a solution to your issue with this mysterious dark grey paint, if you don't venture down the Scholl and/or different pads route.
Good luck with finding a solution to your issue with this mysterious dark grey paint, if you don't venture down the Scholl and/or different pads route.
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