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No not the Spike Lee film.
Vehicles for sale that have obviously been clocked.
This Mustang is on the horrors thread...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REPOSSESSION-VERY-RARE-R...
..listed with 80,400 miles and here it is a few months ago...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-BLA...
...with 220,000 miles.
For legal reasons I am in no way suggesting that the company listing the car now illegally clocked the car but the mileage has been vastly reduced between the two listings.
With the computerisation of M.O.T's this is a less common problem than before but there are still vehicles out there.
So the idea of this thread is to give fellow Pistonheads a warning about these clocked vehicles so one of us doesn't buy one by and regret it later.
Vehicles for sale that have obviously been clocked.
This Mustang is on the horrors thread...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REPOSSESSION-VERY-RARE-R...
..listed with 80,400 miles and here it is a few months ago...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-BLA...
...with 220,000 miles.
For legal reasons I am in no way suggesting that the company listing the car now illegally clocked the car but the mileage has been vastly reduced between the two listings.
With the computerisation of M.O.T's this is a less common problem than before but there are still vehicles out there.
So the idea of this thread is to give fellow Pistonheads a warning about these clocked vehicles so one of us doesn't buy one by and regret it later.
Whilst I agree with the OP that of course there is no suggestion the current seller has done anything wrong, the same seller was the subject of much debate on the Mercedes forums in the summer when they sold a rather "suspicious" SL60, it appears you cannot collect a car from them until after you have left positive feedback, allegedly.
If the vendor is unaware (unlikely), he needs to wash his hands of it back to whoever supplied it sharpish. It's the selling of clocked cars which is the naughty business, more so than the act of 'mileage adjusting' itself. I had to play hell with an auction group last month; I bought a supposedly low mileage Ford Focus assured by a 'guaranteed mileage' approval. Driving it home I noticed the clutch release bearing rumbled and the interior was certainly more worn than 30,000 miles would suggest. I checked VOSA to find a big discrepancy between MoTs and by my reckoning it had done at least 90k. I don't think it had been clocked, more likely a case of the clocks failing a couple of years ago, common with these cars, alas there was no supporting paperwork! I got a full refund, eventually.
To go a little off topic; if you seen 'Warranted Mileage' on cars; don't always believe it. 9/10 times dealers and auction houses will declare the mileage to be accurate if the car has has 2 owners or fewer, and don't tend to do the simple VOSA mileage checks that we do. Insane!
To go a little off topic; if you seen 'Warranted Mileage' on cars; don't always believe it. 9/10 times dealers and auction houses will declare the mileage to be accurate if the car has has 2 owners or fewer, and don't tend to do the simple VOSA mileage checks that we do. Insane!
I used to know a bloke who back in the 1970s or 1980s had been a dodgy car dealer.
He told me that it wasn't illegal to clock a car, only to do it and ten claim the corrected milage was correct.
There was this Rover SD1 he got. In great condition, with new tyres and abour 2 years old. It had a very high milage, say 200k.
He set the clock to Zero, drive it to the auction and put it for sale "milage unknown". The general consensus was it looked like a 30-40k car, and some trader bought it.
Fair enough, but pity the poor private buyer who would have eventually bought it,
He told me that it wasn't illegal to clock a car, only to do it and ten claim the corrected milage was correct.
There was this Rover SD1 he got. In great condition, with new tyres and abour 2 years old. It had a very high milage, say 200k.
He set the clock to Zero, drive it to the auction and put it for sale "milage unknown". The general consensus was it looked like a 30-40k car, and some trader bought it.
Fair enough, but pity the poor private buyer who would have eventually bought it,
wildcat45 said:
I used to know a bloke who back in the 1970s or 1980s had been a dodgy car dealer.
He told me that it wasn't illegal to clock a car, only to do it and ten claim the corrected milage was correct.
There was this Rover SD1 he got. In great condition, with new tyres and abour 2 years old. It had a very high milage, say 200k.
He set the clock to Zero, drive it to the auction and put it for sale "milage unknown". The general consensus was it looked like a 30-40k car, and some trader bought it.
Fair enough, but pity the poor private buyer who would have eventually bought it,
You're not from the Bedord area are you?He told me that it wasn't illegal to clock a car, only to do it and ten claim the corrected milage was correct.
There was this Rover SD1 he got. In great condition, with new tyres and abour 2 years old. It had a very high milage, say 200k.
He set the clock to Zero, drive it to the auction and put it for sale "milage unknown". The general consensus was it looked like a 30-40k car, and some trader bought it.
Fair enough, but pity the poor private buyer who would have eventually bought it,
MercScot said:
it appears you cannot collect a car from them until after you have left positive feedback, allegedly.
Looks like it all the feedback is just the word "collected" only the followups are negative.CAR COLLECTED COLLECTED 18/10/12
agreed to cancel transaction
collected 09/10/12
NEGATIVE IS MY TRUE FEEDBACK, The seller put the positive on himself,
collected 28/09/12
This vehicle has a gearbox fault, not described in the advert, i will contact eb
collected vehicle
Follow up
I never left this feedback myself, it was left by the seller?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
A little more digging the car was relisted after it failed to sell in June.
Ebay are well aware as are the Essex Police (they have a Facebook page).
A little more digging the car was relisted after it failed to sell in June.
Ebay are well aware as are the Essex Police (they have a Facebook page).
tercelgold said:
Looks like it all the feedback is just the word "collected" only the followups are negative.
CAR COLLECTED COLLECTED 18/10/12
agreed to cancel transaction
collected 09/10/12
NEGATIVE IS MY TRUE FEEDBACK, The seller put the positive on himself,
collected 28/09/12
This vehicle has a gearbox fault, not described in the advert, i will contact eb
collected vehicle
Follow up
I never left this feedback myself, it was left by the seller?
How the hell do they manage to leave their own feedback? Or do they stand over the buyer with an iron bar and make them leave positive?CAR COLLECTED COLLECTED 18/10/12
agreed to cancel transaction
collected 09/10/12
NEGATIVE IS MY TRUE FEEDBACK, The seller put the positive on himself,
collected 28/09/12
This vehicle has a gearbox fault, not described in the advert, i will contact eb
collected vehicle
Follow up
I never left this feedback myself, it was left by the seller?
RZ1 said:
Can you report to eBay, will they do anything?
Report item."Report Category" Listing Practices.
"Reason for Report" Fraudulent Listing Activities.
"Detailed Reason" You suspect that a listing is fraudulent.
Sadly that's all we can do and hope that eBay can process the issue without any evidence or actual details.
As noticed with the "Ringing Kits" thread eBay has made the complaints system more generic so more listings can slip through the cracks without them accepting any responsibility.
Dog Star said:
How the hell do they manage to leave their own feedback? Or do they stand over the buyer with an iron bar and make them leave positive?
MercScot said:
Whilst I agree with the OP that of course there is no suggestion the current seller has done anything wrong, the same seller was the subject of much debate on the Mercedes forums in the summer when they sold a rather "suspicious" SL60, it appears you cannot collect a car from them until after you have left positive feedback, allegedly.
There you go. In the Advert he puts all the terms at the bottom. Drives = means can select a gear ... Mileage - we are not responsible for the mileage listed.
Condition - No cat c or d or unrecorded. #Then states at bottom cannot guarantee the condition.
WHO DOES THE SELLER THINK HE IS? haha, It's laughable that people have bidded, although to be honest it is probably him on smurf accounts to make it look good.
Reported.
Condition - No cat c or d or unrecorded. #Then states at bottom cannot guarantee the condition.
WHO DOES THE SELLER THINK HE IS? haha, It's laughable that people have bidded, although to be honest it is probably him on smurf accounts to make it look good.
Reported.
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