Highest level of motorsport to use the Rover V8 - Le Mans?
Highest level of motorsport to use the Rover V8 - Le Mans?
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MrFrodo

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Thursday 25th October 2012
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Hi,

Random question, but I was wondering what how far the Rover V8 had gone in motor racing?

The old BTCC SD1's used a Rover-based engine; the Marcos LM500 did too, but ditched it in favour of a Chevy lump by the time the LM600 Le Mans programme came about; likewise Morgan had gone over to BMW by the time they returned to La Sarthe, I believe. So what's the highest level of motorsport reached by a car with a Rover V8-based engine?

Chris

aponting389

750 posts

207 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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Brabham F1 cars in the 60's used a Rover V8 based engine if im not mistaken.

Ranger 6

7,660 posts

278 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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WTCC SD1 - higher than BTCC


Wasn't this Dakar machine powered by a JE RV8?

MrFrodo

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Thursday 25th October 2012
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Meant to include the Dakar. I think most of the early Bowlers used Rover V8s.

I presume the 1960s Le Mans Morgan is too early for a Rover V8?

Interesting comment on the Brabhams. I'm guessing that's a very heavily re-engineered version if it is the case?

mad4amanda

2,410 posts

193 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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aponting389 said:
Brabham F1 cars in the 60's used a Rover V8 based engine if im not mistaken.
The Repco engine in the Brabham was a development of the Rover/Buick engine using the basic block design but had fantastic cylinder heads with DOHC on each bank.

chapperssx

753 posts

200 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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EGB

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186 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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chapperssx said:
Did 200mph down the Mulsanne straight over 30 years ago with 3.6litres. Broke its Jaguar drive shafts in practice. Is the LS3 now playing catch up? oops!

MrFrodo

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Thursday 25th October 2012
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chapperssx said:
Very nice. I think we might have a winner (assuming the Repco engine is deemed a stretch too far...)

EGB

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Thursday 25th October 2012
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MrFrodo said:
Very nice. I think we might have a winner (assuming the Repco engine is deemed a stretch too far...)
Not a stretch too far. With Jack Brabham and Denis Hulme, it won many a F1 in Europe.

Tinker15

175 posts

311 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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MrFrodo said:
Meant to include the Dakar. I think most of the early Bowlers used Rover V8s.

I presume the 1960s Le Mans Morgan is too early for a Rover V8?

Interesting comment on the Brabhams. I'm guessing that's a very heavily re-engineered version if it is the case?
The Morgan Plus 8 (Rover V8) was launched in 1968. The Le Mans 1962 Class Winner was in the 2.0 litre class and used a specially prepared version of the Triumph TR engine.

Karkila

17 posts

270 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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Hi! Nice query.

Mark Donohue ran Traco-Oldsmobiles for a while. So these were developments of the same block. I'd have to visit the library to look up the exact formulae Donohue was racing in... The Unfair Advantage is the wonderful book that tells that story.

Now don't forget the McLaren M1B, Bruce's first sports-racer. Very similar engine to the above. I reckon they all make a fantastic noise, but run short of puff a little at high speed owing to a lack of sheer horsepower.


Karkila

17 posts

270 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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Hi! Nice query.

Mark Donohue ran Traco-Oldsmobiles for a while. So these were developments of the same block. I'd have to visit the library to look up the exact formulae Donohue was racing in... The Unfair Advantage is the wonderful book that tells that story.

Now don't forget the McLaren M1B, Bruce's first sports-racer. Very similar engine to the above. I reckon they all make a fantastic noise, but run short of puff a little at high speed owing to a lack of sheer horsepower.


MrFrodo

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Monday 29th October 2012
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EGB said:
MrFrodo said:
Very nice. I think we might have a winner (assuming the Repco engine is deemed a stretch too far...)
Not a stretch too far. With Jack Brabham and Denis Hulme, it won many a F1 in Europe.
I meant a stretch too far mechanically. It's debatable as to whether you'd classify that as a Rover V8. In the same way that a DFV can trace its roots to the Cortina engine.

mad4amanda

2,410 posts

193 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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erm hardly a dfv for example does not share the cortina block .

Major Fallout

5,278 posts

260 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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Kitchener F5000?

There was a CanAm car with the engine in its buick form.

heightswitch

6,322 posts

279 months

Tuesday 30th October 2012
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EGB said:
Did 200mph down the Mulsanne straight over 30 years ago with 3.6litres. Broke its Jaguar drive shafts in practice. Is the LS3 now playing catch up? oops!
The TR register ran a detailed article on this story a few years ago. The story was very david against goliath and ended up being more of a fight against the organising authorities who didn't want a backstreet built car to run against the might of the manufacturers. in the end I thing the qually times were inflated to effectively disqualify the car from running in the race. The car however would have potentially destroyed a few Giants.

If you can track the story down it makes for very good reading.

N.

MrFrodo

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Tuesday 30th October 2012
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mad4amanda said:
erm hardly a dfv for example does not share the cortina block .
...and neither does the Repco engine share the Rover V8's valvetrain (or much of its cylinder heads I'm guessing). My point was they've evolved to such an extent that they aren't really recognisable as the base engine.

But if you like, you can substitute the DFV reference for the FVA, which did use the Cortina block and won races in Formula Two. smile

Keri

156 posts

259 months

Tuesday 30th October 2012
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When Williams were developing the Metro 6R4 they chopped two cylinders off a rover V8 and used it in the prototype (while waiting for the proper V6 to be developed).

Always struck me as an odd idea if they were trying to save time!