RE: Scumbags are Winning
Monday 17th June 2002
Scumbags are Winning
Vandalism up 100%
Discussion
You can sort of understand the ethics of people for whom stealing appears a legitimate way of making a living even if you don't agree with them. I met a few when I was invited to appear on "Kilroy" and although they were criminals you could at least see that they were just working to a different set of rules from law-abiding people.
Vandalism I simply can't understand. Damaging things for the hell of it just seems silly.
Vandalism I simply can't understand. Damaging things for the hell of it just seems silly.
Lex means fleet/company cars tho and their owners are - at least in my experience - experts at :
- parking damage which they blame on vandalism
- leaving cars in places you'd not leave your own car
- leaving valuables/coats/bags inside the car
The latter point is something FAR too many people do of course - not just company car owners - it's retarded frankly and yet people do it constantly (like cutting corners and not indicating!)
I walked past an Elise last week - parked in a back street in a 'less than lovely' area - with an Ericsson T68 and a bunch of keys on the passenger seat and a crammed sportsbag in the footwell with a wallet balanced on the top!! - erm - was there a hidden camera on it or something do you think???
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JP
- parking damage which they blame on vandalism
- leaving cars in places you'd not leave your own car
- leaving valuables/coats/bags inside the car
The latter point is something FAR too many people do of course - not just company car owners - it's retarded frankly and yet people do it constantly (like cutting corners and not indicating!)
I walked past an Elise last week - parked in a back street in a 'less than lovely' area - with an Ericsson T68 and a bunch of keys on the passenger seat and a crammed sportsbag in the footwell with a wallet balanced on the top!! - erm - was there a hidden camera on it or something do you think???
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JP
Fiancee was at her Gran's yesterday - looks out the window at about 12:30 to see a load of schoolkids messing about with a horse (that apparently belongs to the school) on the short cul-de-sac that has nothing but OAP housing.
Nothing particularly wrong with that apart from after they left there is sh*t all over the road and footways... where OAPs have to walk
But then the kids start jumping over the properties walls and fences... Then Fiancee sees a little sod put his fag out on the bonnet of her car! It was only resprayed last week (stonechips) - she was so furious that she went out and thumped him! (wouldn't be surprised if we get visit from cops or sued next)
Then rang the school and they said, in a completely uninterested way, that it was nothing to do with them as the kids are not their responsibility at lunch time (!?!)
When I was a lad, if we did anything naughty going to, returning from and during school we would be liable for a bollocking. We were also 'encouraged' to do good things for the locals (esp. OAPs and such).
What sodding hope is there when the schools don't give a crap? Don't suppose the parents would be interested either...
Rant over. Cheers, Phil
Nothing particularly wrong with that apart from after they left there is sh*t all over the road and footways... where OAPs have to walk
But then the kids start jumping over the properties walls and fences... Then Fiancee sees a little sod put his fag out on the bonnet of her car! It was only resprayed last week (stonechips) - she was so furious that she went out and thumped him! (wouldn't be surprised if we get visit from cops or sued next)
Then rang the school and they said, in a completely uninterested way, that it was nothing to do with them as the kids are not their responsibility at lunch time (!?!)
When I was a lad, if we did anything naughty going to, returning from and during school we would be liable for a bollocking. We were also 'encouraged' to do good things for the locals (esp. OAPs and such).
What sodding hope is there when the schools don't give a crap? Don't suppose the parents would be interested either...
Rant over. Cheers, Phil
quote:
Its not like strawberry picking. Its theft and criminal damage.
True, but in the absence of any effective detterent from the authorities it is up to us to be defensive in our conduct. Leaving wallets, mobile phones, keys etc. in broad view in any car is plain foolish but in an Elise
Many years ago it was very simple, if you caught a scrote trying to rob something, you gave him a clip 'round the ear and dragged him home where his dad would thrash 7 shades of sh1t out of him. You could be fairly sure that it was lesson learned. These days if you were to give the little ba****d a dirty look you'd be up for some form of psychological abuse. There is no simple, effective punishment any more. Couple that with the current legislative maelstrom and namby-pamby handling of these petty criminals and there is absolutely no reason for them not to offend. Jesus, if I could get away with it, I'd happily decide never to pay any tax and be a sh1t load ritcher. I don't because I quite like being outside prison thanks. Make the punshiment fit the crime. Sending them off on adventure weekends with thier rehabilitation counsellors etc. is not a punishment. Rehabilitation does not work. Pain does, cause them lots of it until they learn !!!
I have one suggestion for punishment: humiliation. Blind fold the little b@stards and put them in the stocks. Invite members of the public on Saturday morning to pay a £1.00 for the privelege of chucking stuff at them. Make everyone feel a whole lot better. The money collected could be put back into compensating victims or ploughed back into policing (I approve of this voluntary system more than speed cameras). If the little scrotes have bolt on Novas, they could be placed alongside said blind folded b@stard owners, and forced to listen to the radio being removed, the windows broken, the paint being scratched. Make them suffer the consequences. (Pay £5.00 for the privelege of trashing their property in public). I propose this could be implimented in busy shopping centres on Saturday mornings.
Ah that's better. Most go and put a few more heads on spikes now....
Ah that's better. Most go and put a few more heads on spikes now....
I'm afraid the sad reality is that until we get the liberal wishy washy idiots out of goverment things are just going to get worse. Unfortunatly Mr Blair is one of them. It seems in this country that we cater for the minority of people instead of the majority. I feel harsh phyical punishment is the only answer. Public floggings would be a good start as these vermin only understand pain. New Labour more crime.
I agree with johnpeat that a lot of certain types of car crime is simply down to opportunity. Don't leave stuff in plain view and you don't give scrotes the opportunity to break your window and nick it. (Or is that too simple a view?)
Unfortunately scrotes will always be scrotes due to lack of fear of the reprisals they may receive. The majority of people on this site it seems have a healthy respect for other peoples property and also I assume at a young age had fear of getting into trouble with the law/their parents. Scrotes don't have that fear factor cause the police have had their powers watered down and a lot of their parents just don't care or say they can't control them anyway.
As the system is set aginst "heavy" repremands then get the scrotes doing some kind of community service or the like so that they can do things that benefit the community and they can learn to have pride in accomplishing something. True it might not work every time but it's better than sending them off on holiday etc. Where's the crime = punishment in that system?
Unfortunately scrotes will always be scrotes due to lack of fear of the reprisals they may receive. The majority of people on this site it seems have a healthy respect for other peoples property and also I assume at a young age had fear of getting into trouble with the law/their parents. Scrotes don't have that fear factor cause the police have had their powers watered down and a lot of their parents just don't care or say they can't control them anyway.
As the system is set aginst "heavy" repremands then get the scrotes doing some kind of community service or the like so that they can do things that benefit the community and they can learn to have pride in accomplishing something. True it might not work every time but it's better than sending them off on holiday etc. Where's the crime = punishment in that system?
Saturday afternoon I left my motor in a car park to do some window shopping with 'er indoors, promising to stay away from all things footie!
Come back to the car park to find that some minging little scrote has put a screwdriver or some such into the door to unlock the car and thus steal my stereo and prescrption specs.
Fortunately I had the foresight to call the police straight away. Useless
rozzers. Woman on the phone was very nice, but the underlying response was that if I were to hold my breath I would likely expire before hearing from them again.
Result? An extremely upset girlfriend and £120 to get the door repaired and a claim on the house insurance for my specs.
The Saudis got it right when they started cutting thieves' hands off.
Many people on this site have a really tasty second car. When you buy a car like that you have to weigh up the pros and cons. Either you invested in a life-enriching experience or you kept the wife happy with a conservatory and a holiday to boast about!
The same rationale applies to thieving little scabs - remember that line from Casino? DeNiro says to the guy with the wire on his leg "You can either have the money and the hammer, or you can get out of here right now..."
All that aside, it would almost have been worth the expense just to have caught the tosser at it
Come back to the car park to find that some minging little scrote has put a screwdriver or some such into the door to unlock the car and thus steal my stereo and prescrption specs.
Fortunately I had the foresight to call the police straight away. Useless
rozzers. Woman on the phone was very nice, but the underlying response was that if I were to hold my breath I would likely expire before hearing from them again. Result? An extremely upset girlfriend and £120 to get the door repaired and a claim on the house insurance for my specs.
The Saudis got it right when they started cutting thieves' hands off.
Many people on this site have a really tasty second car. When you buy a car like that you have to weigh up the pros and cons. Either you invested in a life-enriching experience or you kept the wife happy with a conservatory and a holiday to boast about!
The same rationale applies to thieving little scabs - remember that line from Casino? DeNiro says to the guy with the wire on his leg "You can either have the money and the hammer, or you can get out of here right now..."
All that aside, it would almost have been worth the expense just to have caught the tosser at it
I hear a story like these almost every day from my better half (better at most things, drives half as fast). She's a 2ndary school teacher at a large rural comprehensive and any authority the teachers once had has simply evaporated.
The head has even told the teachers not to discipline certain kids because of the expected backlash from parents.
Example: girl gets disciplined verbally for chatting in lesson, she phones her dad in the lesson and tells the (young female) teacher to talk to her dad. Teacher takes phone and switches it off (N.B. unions advise against handling the kid's property in case they sue you for damaging it). Half an hour later the dad arrives in school demanding to see the teacher and shouting abuse it takes three male members of staff to keep him out of the staff room. He eventually leaves when the police arrive.
On a more positive note (and motoring related):
My little bro' works shifts as a manager at a supermarket. For a period of weeks he was finding to his car (mk1 MR2) damaged when he finished work, e.g. all 4 tyres let down, panels keyed etc. One day he gets a call from one of the trolley-boys to say that there's someone fiddling with his petrol cap. He sprints outside and breaks the guy's nose. Guy stands up again, so li'l bro'' knocks him out and waits for the police. Police arrive, bloke comes 'round, admits the damage: says he thought it was his ex-wive's new boyfriend's car! The supermarket even stood the cost of the repairs until the bloke paid it off! That is a result.
Moral: beat up criminals, it pays off.
>> Edited by JonVickers on Tuesday 18th June 18:21
The head has even told the teachers not to discipline certain kids because of the expected backlash from parents.
Example: girl gets disciplined verbally for chatting in lesson, she phones her dad in the lesson and tells the (young female) teacher to talk to her dad. Teacher takes phone and switches it off (N.B. unions advise against handling the kid's property in case they sue you for damaging it). Half an hour later the dad arrives in school demanding to see the teacher and shouting abuse it takes three male members of staff to keep him out of the staff room. He eventually leaves when the police arrive.
On a more positive note (and motoring related):
My little bro' works shifts as a manager at a supermarket. For a period of weeks he was finding to his car (mk1 MR2) damaged when he finished work, e.g. all 4 tyres let down, panels keyed etc. One day he gets a call from one of the trolley-boys to say that there's someone fiddling with his petrol cap. He sprints outside and breaks the guy's nose. Guy stands up again, so li'l bro'' knocks him out and waits for the police. Police arrive, bloke comes 'round, admits the damage: says he thought it was his ex-wive's new boyfriend's car! The supermarket even stood the cost of the repairs until the bloke paid it off! That is a result.
Moral: beat up criminals, it pays off.
>> Edited by JonVickers on Tuesday 18th June 18:21
quote:
On a more positive note (and motoring related):
My little bro' works shifts as a manager at a supermarket. For a period of weeks he was finding to his car (mk1 MR2) damaged when he finished work, e.g. all 4 tyres let down, panels keyed etc. One day he gets a call from one of the trolley-boys to say that there's someone fiddling with his petrol cap. He sprints outside and breaks the guy's nose. Guy stands up again, so li'l bro'' knocks him out and waits for the police. Police arrive, bloke comes 'round, admits the damage: says he thought it was his ex-wive's new boyfriend's car! The supermarket even stood the cost of the repairs until the bloke paid it off! That is a result.
Moral: beat up criminals, it pays off.
God that's a result. 9 times out of 10 your brother would have been arrested and charged.
Beating the crims up all too often results in a court appearance (and not for the crim).
>> Edited by JohnL on Tuesday 18th June 23:42
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