Kent bans large percentage of vehicles from refuse sites...
Kent bans large percentage of vehicles from refuse sites...
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C8H18Head

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446 posts

201 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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From 1st October, my 44 year old Land Rover has been banned from the local refuse site as it is a "commercial vehicle". I cannot apply for a voucher, as our household owns another car. So I'm in the daft position of either using a new 5 series with non-folding rear seats for tip runs or being unable to dispose of larger waste.

Any sign-written vehicle is banned (including a local florist with a standard Focus last week, she had the shop name on the door), along with all pick-ups, vans, vehicles with panelled sides instead of windows, taxis, vehicles that do not have permanent rear passenger seating and anything over 2m in height.

Even a taxi driver taking rubbish for a pensioner is banned,
http://www.thisiskent.co.uk/Good-deed-led-waste-he...

Apologies for the rant...


Mr E

23,060 posts

289 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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I assume that includes rented vans (as they often have logos on the side)

trickywoo

14,177 posts

260 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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I wonder how you get a contract clearing up fly tipping for the council?

Dave Hedgehog

16,337 posts

234 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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excellent news

far too many people abusing the system and making me queue

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Thursday 1st November 11:00

mini1380cc

2,949 posts

201 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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This happened in Edinburgh years ago.

torres del paine

1,588 posts

251 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
excellent news

far too many people abusing the system and making me Que ..
Manuel?

Jagmanv12

1,573 posts

194 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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As the article and comments say this will lead to more fly tipping.

It seems councillors lack common sense and don't think about the consequences of these changes.

Benny Saltstein

798 posts

243 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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Our local tip have a permit system for commercial vehicles, including rented vans. Seems a very shortsighted way to encourage people to dispose of waste responsibly.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

276 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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C8H18Head said:
From 1st October, my 44 year old Land Rover has been banned from the local refuse site as it is a "commercial vehicle". I cannot apply for a voucher, as our household owns another car. So I'm in the daft position of either using a new 5 series with non-folding rear seats for tip runs or being unable to dispose of larger waste.
So what are you saying,

a) Multi-car households aren't allowed a permit? Seems unlikely.
or
b) You've got your permit on the new BMW you don't want to take to the tip? Which sounds a bit daft!

jay140285

626 posts

214 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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What you need is a father in law who is area manager for the recycling and refuge.

One phone call and I can take a van, a large trailer or even the horse lorry in!!!!

Permit, what permit do you not know who my father in is lol.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

276 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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Curruption at any level is sickening.

Dave 500

7,882 posts

272 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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If you are not in a car our local tip asks you to bring two bills to prove you live in the area, then they have a quick look to see if its trade waste (easy to spot really) and then you are in with any vehicle you like, for once they have got something right hehe

TITWONK

530 posts

197 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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Been like that for ages around here, although I do believe we can get a ticket for the odd occasion! It's bks when you are refurbish your house, stops local traders abusing it though.

supertouring

2,228 posts

263 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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C8H18Head said:
vehicles that do not have permanent rear passenger seating
That rules out most sports cars.

Blackwedge

294 posts

208 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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Dave 500 said:
If you are not in a car our local tip asks you to bring two bills to prove you live in the area, then they have a quick look to see if its trade waste (easy to spot really) and then you are in with any vehicle you like, for once they have got something right hehe
Just as it should be, you are paying for this service after all. If you live in Kent or anywhere else that has a similar stupid policy remember who voted for these fcensoredkwits - and next time there are local elections remind them why they wont be getting your vote again!

C8H18Head

Original Poster:

446 posts

201 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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Ozzie Osmond said:
C8H18Head said:
From 1st October, my 44 year old Land Rover has been banned from the local refuse site as it is a "commercial vehicle". I cannot apply for a voucher, as our household owns another car. So I'm in the daft position of either using a new 5 series with non-folding rear seats for tip runs or being unable to dispose of larger waste.
So what are you saying,

a) Multi-car households aren't allowed a permit? Seems unlikely.
or
b) You've got your permit on the new BMW you don't want to take to the tip? Which sounds a bit daft!
To reply,

a) No. If you have another car in the household, you will NOT receive a permit for your banned vehicle. It's now utterly impossible for sign-written vehicles, pick-ups, vans, vehicles with panelled sides instead of windows, panel back or soft-top Land Rovers, taxis, vehicles that do not have permanent rear passenger seating and anything over 2m in height to use Kent refuse sites unless they are the ONLY vehicle in the household.

b) Yes, I can use my BMW. But I've got refuse that simply won't fit into it (it's too long and the seats won't go down), so I can't dispose of said refuse! Also, for stuff like garden rubbish, it seems daft to own a 109 Land Rover but have to put rubble into a nice clean boot.

This is the letter I've received:

Dear Sir

Thank you for your enquiry. As you are aware, as of October 1st 2012 vans and commercial type vehicles are no longer permitted access to the Household Waste Recycling Centres. This includes all sign-written vehicles, vehicles with panelled sides instead of windows, and vehicles that do not have permanent rear passenger seating. Vehicles over 2 metres in height are also no longer permitted access to the Household Waste Recycling Centres. We appreciate that some residents may have a commercial type vehicle or an over height domestic type vehicle as their household's sole vehicle. In this instance, they may be eligible for one of our vouchers schemes to allow them continued access to the Household Waste Recycling Centres.

As your Land Rover is not the sole vehicle of your household you will not qualify for the exception voucher scheme. You will, however, be able to continue to use either of the households two cars to visit the centres and dispose of household waste. I recognise that your private car may not be your first choice for this purpose, however it is necessary to apply the scheme consistently across the County in line with the formal Member's decision.

Unfortunately the extent of abuse by a small minority of traders who commit fraud by misrepresenting their waste as household waste, costs the Council up to £500k in unnecessary disposal costs. For this reason, changes have been necessary to bring the policies in Kent in line with other Waste Disposal Authorities. As you will appreciate, it is impossible to identify the source of waste visually and for this reason a commercial vehicle ban has been necessary.

Our past experience where Household Waste Recycling Centres have closed for redevelopment is that flytipping has not increased, neither is it higher in other counties with similar policies. Kent authorities have secured a 67% decrease in the level of flytipping across Kent in the past 5 years. If you witness any acts of flytipping please do not hesitate to report the information to us so that we can undertake a through investigation and seek prosecution. You can do this by calling KCC on 0845 345 0210 or e-mailing clean.kent@kent.gov.uk

Yours Sincerely,

James Kailanathan
Waste Management Team
Kent County Council

djdestiny

6,542 posts

208 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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How exactly are they going to check/prove you have more than one car in the household?

Manicminer

12,616 posts

227 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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How do they know the land rover isn't the sole vehicle in your household?

Raify

6,556 posts

278 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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C8H18Head said:
and vehicles that do not have permanent rear passenger seating.
I presume this terribly-written part is meant to catch the car-based vans. It does sound like you can't stick a bag in the back of your 350Z / Z4 coupe / Cayman / mx5 / S2000 etc etc

Papa Hotel

12,760 posts

212 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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mini1380cc said:
This happened in Edinburgh years ago.
Yes it did. The stupid bds.