Thermopure
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EdBarrett

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270 posts

172 months

Monday 5th November 2012
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Ive recently bought termopure to aid with my weightless program to get in shape to the Navy. I've read a fair amount of reviews in regards to side effects, the main being sweating profusely, which I experienced today on using it for the first time. But I also feel really light headed, has anyone experienced this before when using thermopure or the likes?

It said take on an empty stomach, so it could purely be due to the lack of energy being used from digestion thought the day and my body having to work harder to use the fats, but I've played sport for a very long time, and have never experienced a supplement that makes you feel this "high"

johnnyBv8

2,482 posts

220 months

Monday 5th November 2012
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Weightless programme is pretty serious - I'd just got for some weight loss biggrin

I don't know much about thermopure but what else are you doing to lose weight...in terms of diet and exercise? I recommend My Fitness Pal as a great way of tracking both and keeping you on target - expecially good if you have as a (free) iPhone app.

EdBarrett

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270 posts

172 months

Monday 5th November 2012
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Haha Woops...

I had a basal metabolic rate calculated, according to that I need 3200cal per day to maintain my weight. I've durastically reduced my carb intake and have limited my cal intake to equal the amount I can burn in a day. Every day I'm at the gym doing an hour of cardio. A combination of bike, treadmill and rowing machine. So far I've lost 3KG, in ten days, without the "aid" of thermopure. Yes it's a very very aggressive regime, but I need to lose a fair amount quickly.

Ordinary_Chap

7,520 posts

272 months

Monday 5th November 2012
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EdBarrett said:
Haha Woops...

I had a basal metabolic rate calculated, according to that I need 3200cal per day to maintain my weight. I've durastically reduced my carb intake and have limited my cal intake to equal the amount I can burn in a day. Every day I'm at the gym doing an hour of cardio. A combination of bike, treadmill and rowing machine. So far I've lost 3KG, in ten days, without the "aid" of thermopure. Yes it's a very very aggressive regime, but I need to lose a fair amount quickly.
I'm not going to say don't take it but I would advise you have your BP tested since these products can drastically raise BP which could cause the light headed feeling. If you are feeling light headed then you need to be careful as you maybe unwittingly causing yourself harm.

Also what weight/height are you for a 3.2k cal per day maintenance plan?

Nothing causes weight loss like diet!

Lee

PD9

2,040 posts

214 months

Monday 5th November 2012
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Treadmill. Run. 30mins. Best exercise for weight loss and it naturally strengthens your core. 30 mins 3 times a week wil soon see you in shape. Start slowish then gradually build the speed up. It all takes dedication though and a good soundtrack to run too! You should start to see results in the 2nd week on your 5th / 6th run. Why the fk do people take tablets to lose weight, get up off your arse and earn it.

Flibble

6,538 posts

210 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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Ordinary_Chap said:
Also what weight/height are you for a 3.2k cal per day maintenance plan?
By my reckoning he's at least 6'9 and 26 stone...

goldblum

10,272 posts

196 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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EdBarrett said:
Ive recently bought termopure to aid with my weightless program to get in shape to the Navy. I've read a fair amount of reviews in regards to side effects, the main being sweating profusely, which I experienced today on using it for the first time. But I also feel really light headed, has anyone experienced this before when using thermopure or the likes?

It said take on an empty stomach, so it could purely be due to the lack of energy being used from digestion thought the day and my body having to work harder to use the fats, but I've played sport for a very long time, and have never experienced a supplement that makes you feel this "high"
Stop taking the rubbish.



Some questions:

How do you propose to do an hour of cardio every day on a 'durastically reduced carb intake'?

Has it occured to you that you're feeling of 'lightheadedness' could be low blood sugar as you are not eating enough carbs to replace glycogen stores?

What on earth do you mean your body has to work harder to use the fats? Fat usage is determined by intensity of exercise and presence of oxygen.

Find someone who knows what they're talking about - not one of your mates/gym buddies - and have them explain to you the effects of physical activity and diet on the human body.

johnnyBv8

2,482 posts

220 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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If you're doing cardio, then I'd suggest that you'll get more benefit doing it outside (yep, cold and dark!) rather than in a gym. Gyms are hot and boring for running. I've found that having someone else to meet up and run with really helps too.

Another option would be to join a running club short-term, or something like British Military Fitness (or other boot camp) if there's anywhere near you. I do both, and it keeps me pretty fit.

As in my earlier post, if you have an iPhone then download the 'My Fitness Pal' app - it's excellent and really easy to use. It will help you monitor your intake and also show you your proportion of carbs each day - and you can set a weight loss target that suits you/your weight etc.

Sorry, I know none of the above is thermopure - but I think the answer to getting fit quickly is gneuine commitment to exercise and diet, not supplements. 3200 cal/day sounds a lot by the way!

Asterix

24,438 posts

257 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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3,200 cals is a lot - you sure you got that right? You must be a huge mofo.

EdBarrett

Original Poster:

270 posts

172 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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Asterix said:
3,200 cals is a lot - you sure you got that right? You must be a huge mofo.
HAHA, If I'm honesty I don't believe it either, but that's what they reckon it is, only going by what the ''fitness consultant'' said.

Asterix

24,438 posts

257 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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Ok - I'm 6ft and 70kgs (a bit light I know but I've just reduced my BF% from the 20's to around 13% - the bulk will come later).

My basic daily calorific maintenance intake should be just over 2,500. I'm currently taking in 2,650 while walking (min) 5km every day and then training sessions 3-4 per week. Which leaves me a nice deficit of 400-500 cals a day.

EdBarrett

Original Poster:

270 posts

172 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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Asterix said:
Ok - I'm 6ft and 70kgs (a bit light I know but I've just reduced my BF% from the 20's to around 13% - the bulk will come later).

My basic daily calorific maintenance intake should be just over 2,500. I'm currently taking in 2,650 while walking (min) 5km every day and then training sessions 3-4 per week. Which leaves me a nice deficit of 400-500 cals a day.
Going by that, I can guarantee that I dont need 3200Cal a day. I'm not exactly out of shape, I've been playing rugby and sprinting since I was a kid, but sadly, for my Navy medical they are cracking down massively on the BMI limits, with no body comp taken into consideration.

Asterix

24,438 posts

257 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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I'm surprised the Forces are being so strict about BMI levels especially as it's a crap indicator for those with good solid builds - I'm ex-Army btw.

Is this the first admission stage you're going through?

Also, you turn up after a severe weightloss effort using supplements and binning carbs, you'll perform badly in any of the physical tests, let alone diminished mental capacity, and then it's all for st any way.

When's the deadline? How much do you think you need to lose to hit the BMI targets? What's your stats at the moment?

EdBarrett

Original Poster:

270 posts

172 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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Got my initial medical for pilot. Im 5ft 7, and as of this morning I'm 83.9KG, they are happy if my BMI is below 28, but personally I want to get it down to at least 26, don't think I've ever been that low though since I was about 15/16.

Asterix

24,438 posts

257 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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Sorry to ask again. How much do you want/need to lose and by when?

EdBarrett

Original Poster:

270 posts

172 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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Sorry my fault, missed that part of your post. To hit what they want I've got to get to a weight of 82KG, but I personally want to hit 75KG. I've got until december the 11th to hit their target.

Asterix

24,438 posts

257 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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Ok - keep it really simple.

Work out what you're eating now using myfitnesspal.com.

Cut out all processed sugars/foods and eat as low fat foods as possible with plenty of greens and lean towards protein rather than carbs. I'd go down the 'eat small, eat often' route - there's plenty of debate about this but it's been working for me recently. And do lots and lots of cardio every day - nothing madly strenuous, but get the volume in. Also split the times you do it if you can. Some first thing in the morning, some in the evening.

What ever you do, you just need to create that calorific deficit and you can still have a diet with carbs in it

You'll lose enough within a month to hit the max target but to get lower will take more time.



EdBarrett

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270 posts

172 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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I'm on salads and soups every day, no booze and so far I'm at the gym everyday for a good hour of cardio minimum. After dislocating my shoulder and having to take a year out of rugby, but continuing with my ''normal'' diet, the weight just crept up and up


johnnyBv8

2,482 posts

220 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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Woaah: 5ft 7, and 83.9KG..... there is no way you should be taking in 3200 calories unless your have a very active day-day job that's burning them off. As I suggested earlier, and as Asterix had also said, get My Fitness Pal. If you put in your details and what weight loss you want to achieve by when, it will calculate you an intake and monitor your performance against it.

At a guess, I'd say you should be looking to get approx 2300-2400 calories, and burning off at least 700 by exercising. Trying to match your calorie intake to the same as you can burn off in a day is a terrible idea and you risk putting your body into starvation mode which will slow your weight loss. No wonder you feel dizzy!

Don't cut out carbs, just try to reduce them a bit and increase protein (I'd suggest fish, eggs, chicken) depending on your current diet.

This will work, if you do it properly and are sufficiently committed. And whilst I wouldn't bother with thermopure, if you do take it at least you won't be doing so at the same time you're starving your body of essential nutrients, energy etc.

Edited by johnnyBv8 on Tuesday 6th November 11:26

Meoricin

2,880 posts

198 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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OP, Thermopure is just tons of caffiene. It's not going to help you lose weight in any meaningful way, and will just bump up your blood pressure while you're using it. It -might- help you perform in terms of strength/endurance, but it's a massive hit to have in one go, and it'll run out before your hour of cardio is up. I used it for a while when I was trying to cut, and found that if I hadn't eaten much for the day it just made me feel sick. No benefits to my fat burning, but I did find I could do more reps than without it.

Focus on diet/routine rather than trying to take shortcuts with 'drugs'.