Attempted Borkicide
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chongwong

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1,045 posts

177 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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My poor Micra seems to be slowly dying, every time i pop the bonnet, or look underneath it something has fallen off, or worn through, or just straight up borked itself. So this morning i was happily surprised that nothing had seemed immediately wrong, so happy in fact that i decided to put some custard in my glove-box and think about heading out for some 'photo location' challenges. And then i checked the engine oil....
It was changed completely 200 miles ago, and now it's black. I've never seen oil change colour quite so quickly before, and am wondering whats causing it.
Also the engine seems really rattly at low revs, this has been becoming worse of late.
It's a CR12DE engine, the 79hp variant, if that makes any difference at all.
Any help would be appreciated.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

276 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Just keep tipping in the oil.....

chongwong

Original Poster:

1,045 posts

177 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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yeah, that was my first reaction, surely fixing the cause would be a better idea though? Then again, it does mean having to find the problem frown

trickywoo

14,221 posts

260 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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If you did the filter at the same time and its not actually burning oil then I'd not worry about it.

HustleRussell

26,570 posts

190 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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In my experience, Japanese cars that appear to be in their death throes usually plug on for another decade or so before giving up...

chongwong

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1,045 posts

177 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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The car used to do 15 miles a week at most when it belonged to my mother. When i got it i managed 8000 in the first 2 months, and now 9000 in 3 months. Could the increased use just be too much for the little thing? I give the car a good look over every week, and make sure that everything is in working order, but it seems to be deteriorating with no outward signs of damage or wear, other than the oil habit. Any idea what the problem could be?

steveo3002

11,212 posts

204 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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was it serviced keenly before you did this last oil change? if its got sketchy history then the engine maybe a bit dirty inside and its turned the oil black quickly

not really nothing to worry too much about on a older car , if you think its worth it you can change the oil more often maybe with some supermarket oil for a few hundred miles to flush it out

Viperz888

561 posts

188 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Oil turns quick within a few hours of running, something to do with it absorbing the carbon, deposits, and tiny shavings of metal, and holds them in suspension, rather than let them cause havok wearing the bearings. When running in a rebuilt engine, I changed the oil after 12 hours of running, and then every 4 hours twice. It was pitch black every time. Completely normal.

StuB

6,695 posts

269 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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I reckon your old Ma's to blame, carbon deposits everywhere now sitting in your nice fresh oil. If you put a new filter in, I wouldn't worry.

I take it no issues with oil pressure or water temps?

MJK 24

5,679 posts

266 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Change the oil again now even though you've only done a few hundred miles. Get it nice and hot and let it drain until it stops dripping. It'll stay cleaner for much longer now.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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chongwong said:
The car used to do 15 miles a week at most when it belonged to my mother. When i got it i managed 8000 in the first 2 months, and now 9000 in 3 months.
An average of 130 miles or so per day, EVERY SINGLE DAY, in a Micra?

Are you nuts? nuts

chongwong

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177 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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had ham said:
An average of 130 miles or so per day, EVERY SINGLE DAY, in a Micra?

Are you nuts? nuts
Yep, lots of long day trips. I'd been trying to visit as many climbing and bouldering spots as possible before heading back to uni. I also had an 11 day driving holiday.I'm sure you'd be rather surprised at how comfy the car is. (It also makes a hilarious sound when thrashed, and handles like a hippo doing ballet) It's surprisingly fun to attempt to drive quickly, but yes, i may well be insane biggrin

A.J.M

8,391 posts

216 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Give it a full service, change the oil again and maybe an Italian tune up once it's fine.

The change from being rarely used to being used loads will take a bit of time to settle in. Some part's may need changed but as other's have said. Jap car's cling to life even when you think "right, that's it fked"

moribund

4,416 posts

244 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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I can't help on the question, but can I just say - "Borkicide" biggrin That's awesome and I'm tempted to steal it and make it my screen name.

chongwong

Original Poster:

1,045 posts

177 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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moribund said:
I can't help on the question, but can I just say - "Borkicide" biggrin That's awesome and I'm tempted to steal it and make it my screen name.
Go ahead, but if you somehow make money off of it, i will be looking for royalties biggrin

BFG TERRANO

2,172 posts

178 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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I have a 12 yr old Jap tank. Keep throwing what you can at it and change the oil and filters regularly. Unless something major gives up it will keep coming back for more.. mine does!

chongwong

Original Poster:

1,045 posts

177 months

Saturday 5th January 2013
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Update for more problems:-) last week I was heading home from work, and the steering suddenly became very vague and the whole front end decided that it wanted to wallow after any slight turn, bump, or gradient change, not sure why, didn't assault a pothole or a curb, and on a quick inspection the front suspension looks fine and there are no obvious defects on the dampers, or anything else.

There also seems to be a horrid rattle from the gearbox whenever I shift from a gear to neutral, regardless of load or clutch use. I'm not to concerned about that though, as it seems to be ok in gear.

I'm just a tad concernded about the loss of feedback and worrying behaviour from the front when I attempt to turn.

Thanks in advance for any help, some internet beer will be awarded to any kind soul :-D

Garett

1,685 posts

222 months

Saturday 5th January 2013
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The vague steering sounds like a classic case of bottom ball joint failure. Although no mechanic, I've experienced it in my old 205 and its pretty alarming as the car would wander without any notice!

Get a pry bar or something similar in the bit where the hub meets the lower suspension arm and check for excessive play.

chongwong

Original Poster:

1,045 posts

177 months

Saturday 5th January 2013
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Garett said:
The vague steering sounds like a classic case of bottom ball joint failure. Although no mechanic, I've experienced it in my old 205 and its pretty alarming as the car would wander without any notice!

Get a pry bar or something similar in the bit where the hub meets the lower suspension arm and check for excessive play.
cheers, I'll have a go tomorrow morning, would winding on full lock to help access warp the results or should i just go for jack/spare wheel and sandbags?

Garett

1,685 posts

222 months

Saturday 5th January 2013
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Yeah both really. Ideally have the wheel you're testing off the ground at the time and have the car supported with something other than a jack, ideally axle stands. Just give the ball joints and tie rods a good old wiggle and check for play. There's plenty of YouTube videos of what to look for if you get stuck. It's fairly straight forward so long as you're even halfway mechanically proficient, as I said I diagnosed and repaired my old 205 back in my poorer student days so it can't be too difficult if I managed it!