Mazda mx5

[vjay48]

Any body race mazda mx5, from what a can see there appears to be 3 championships?
BARC,BRSCC and one looking for a home. What is going on,like the cars and racing etc.whats the story?

[NBW]

It would seem that you can spend years building a series up or you can steal it with enough money… well done to the highway men!

[clubracing]

Ma5da have slpit from the BRSCC, so the BRSCC have decided to orgainse an MX5 championships for themselves. Lots of speculation regarding the real reasons for going seperate ways but obviously neither party is keen to divulge all of the details. Max5 is continuing the same as last year.

There were over a hundred mk1 MX5s that raced with Ma5da in 2012 and being at the budget end of racing I expect whichever is perceived to provide the best value for drivers will be the one that survives. Tough job for both organisers but potentially alot of money for whoever gets it right due to the sheer number of cars.

Edited by clubracing on Tuesday 27th November 00:51

[andy97]

MX5s are also eligible for the CSCC Future Classics and Modern Classics series of 40 min races! Plenty of places to race an MX5!

Modern Classics may even have a separate class for mk3 mx5 if there's enough interest.

Edited by andy97 on Tuesday 27th November 19:53

[roddo]

I race with Max5 and have done so for the past few years, great bunch of guys good none contact racing and 2013 will see grids with 25 cars...............

[NJH]

I thought they were going to go with CCRC:
http://www.castlecombecircuit.co.uk/Circuit_news/M...

Where next?

[andy97]

NJH said:

I thought they were going to go with CCRC:
http://www.castlecombecircuit.co.uk/Circuit_news/M...

Where next?

CCRC have decided to decline the opportunity.

[lol1]

NJH said:

I thought they were going to go with CCRC:
http://www.castlecombecircuit.co.uk/Circuit_news/M...

Where next?

MA5DA have started their own organising club, Motor Racing Sports Car Club, MRSCC, so will organise their own meetings.

[andy97]

lol1 said:

MA5DA have started their own organising club, Motor Racing Sports Car Club, MRSCC, so will organise their own meetings.

I dont think its as simple as that - are they really going to hire the circuits themselves, along with all the other necessary infrastructure and then try to fill the day with other content in addition to their own series? Or are they going to buy grid times off existing organisers?

Edited to add: Got the answer now, from the Ma5da racing website: "the MRSCC will operate all Ma5da Racing Championships in association with our surrogate MSA permitting club for 2013"

ie they are still going to have to work in partnership with another club.

Edited by andy97 on Thursday 29th November 15:48

[lol1]

andy97 said:

I dont think its as simple as that - are they really going to hire the circuits themselves, along with all the other necessary infrastructure and then try to fill the day with other content in addition to their own series? Or are they going to buy grid times off existing organisers?

Edited to add: Got the answer now, from the Ma5da racing website: "the MRSCC will operate all Ma5da Racing Championships in association with our surrogate MSA permitting club for 2013"

ie they are still going to have to work in partnership with another club.

Edited by andy97 on Thursday 29th November 15:48

They are using a surrogate MSA permitting club so that they can keep their championship status as (I think I am right with this) a new club has to run for 3 years before it can apply for championship status. But I think they are still buying their own track time.

[Muz_Wez]

lol1 said:

andy97 said:

I dont think its as simple as that - are they really going to hire the circuits themselves, along with all the other necessary infrastructure and then try to fill the day with other content in addition to their own series? Or are they going to buy grid times off existing organisers?

Edited to add: Got the answer now, from the Ma5da racing website: "the MRSCC will operate all Ma5da Racing Championships in association with our surrogate MSA permitting club for 2013"

ie they are still going to have to work in partnership with another club.

Edited by andy97 on Thursday 29th November 15:48

They are using a surrogate MSA permitting club so that they can keep their championship status as (I think I am right with this) a new club has to run for 3 years before it can apply for championship status. But I think they are still buying their own track time.

Yes that's right, so they're currently working on a deal with the 'surrogate' they're going to use in 2013 and possibly beyond. I was told who it was in confidence so had better keep it quiet.

[andy97]

Well there aren't many out there and it sure as hell isn't going to be BRSCC or BARC!

[thunderbelmont]

Sorry, I find them duller than dishwater. Unless you shoehorn a LS1/3/6/7 under the front.
But hats off to anyone who finds enjoyment in racing them - it's what the sport is all about - diversity.
I too read that the BRSCC had tried to "steal" what had been built up to become a well supported series.
They are really revenue desperate these days. There was a time when they were the club to be in, with many burgeoning championships full to the brim if not overflowing.
Through many years of mis management and pissing off their customers, they are dwindling to a shadow of what was once great.
I wish the Mazda gang the best of British (with a Japanese accent!!) in setting up their own club for their own benefit, and hope that they get MSA recognition for it in the end, rather than being part of a club that just takes your money, and some more of it, and maybe that last penny that you had, and gives you stuff all back.

Motorsport needs a BIG shakeup in the UK. There are too many factions of the same thing diluting what could be a thriving grass roots scene, something that people want to go and see on a Saturday/Sunday afternoon. Something marketable to bring in the crowds as entertainment, where the competitors are valued and the punters flocking in to watch provide the tracks revenue.

I shall return to my cloud in cuckoo land.

You've been a lovely audience, no really. Thank you and goodnight.

[ma5da91]

thunderbelmont said:

Sorry, I find them duller than dishwater. Unless you shoehorn a LS1/3/6/7 under the front.
But hats off to anyone who finds enjoyment in racing them

This is exactly the point of mx5 racing (well Ma5da at least). In three years of racing with them I don’t think I’ve met anyone who actually cares for mx5s especially. They just happen to be cheap, rear wheel drive and reliable.

What really matters is the racing on track which is more competitive and closer than anything else out there at this level/cost. It's bound to be with such big grids.

I would much prefer to race something slow but mega competitive against drivers like Rob Boston/Chrissy Palmer/Tom Roche etc than power round in a procession with seconds between cars while Johnny Chequebook drives off into the distance or race in some catch all class system where you don’t know if it’s your driving or car that make you fast.

I’ve watched some awfully dull (but fast) races that shared meetings with us.

Nothing beats going 2/3 abreast into the same corner every lap or bump drafting each other downs the straights to get away.

UK club motorsport is fantastic, but a complete mess. So many championships have something or other going on in the background which take the shine off the fun stuff, the racing.

[clubracing]

Both championships have now released there provisional calendars for next season. BRSCC perhaps not unexpectedly seem to have a much better selection of circuits.

BRSCC:

April 6/7 Rockingham
May 11/12 Croft
June 22/23 Cadwell Park
July 20/21 Snetterton 300
August 3/4 Anglesey
Aug 31/Sep 1 Brands Hatch
September 14 Donington Park
October19/20 Silverstone Internl.

Ma5da:

16th/17th March - Snetterton 300
4th/5th May - Brands Hatch Indy
25th/26th May - Knockhill (Reverse Circuit)
15th/16th June - Castle Combe
20th/21st July - Cadwell Park
24th/25th August - Pembrey
7th/8th September - Croft

[djroadboy]

Have either released registration/entry fees, tv coverage and hospitality details yet? Are the BRSCC meetings triple headers like the Ma5da racing ones?

The BRSCC calender looks better but the only difference that would bother me is Donington over Pembrey (although Ma5da racing are doing a quadruple header at Pembrey). Silverstone in an Mx5 is a bit boring tbh and I'd prefer Combe to Anglesey so the Ma5da racing calendar isn't really that bad.

Will be interested to see how the fees and packages compare.

Dan

[clubracing]

No more information has been publicly released as far as I can tell, Knockhill in reverse seems as though it would be a bit rubbish to me.

Ma5da had double headers at most rounds for the MK1 cars, only the MK3s had triple headers at all rounds but they were just 15 mins each.

[djroadboy]

Ma5da racing have said the Mk1s will be triple headers at all rounds for 2013 and the Mk3s and Mx150Rs will both be double headers.

I have driven Knockhill in reverse and it is excellent.

Dan

[ma5da91]

Copied from ma5da forum:

2013 Provisional Calendar

Date - Venue - Mk1 Format (20min Races) - Mk3/Mx150 (15min Races)

16th/17th March - Snetterton 300 - Double Header(mk1) - Triple Header (mk3/mx150)

4th/5th May (Bank Holiday) - Brands Hatch Indy - Double Header(mk1) - Triple Header (mk3/mx150)

25th/26th May (Bank holiday) - Knockhill (Reverse Circuit ) - Triple Header (mk1) - Triple Header (mk3/mx150)

15th/16th June - Castle Combe - Double Header (mk1) - Triple Header (mk3/mx150)

20th/21st July - Cadwell Park - Double Header (mk1) - Triple Header (mk3/mx150)

24th/25th August (Bank Holiday) - Pembrey - Quadruple Header (mk1) ** - Quadruple Header ** (mk3/mx150)

7th/8th September - Croft - Triple Header - Triple Header

Summery 7 Events 18 Rounds (Drop 3) - Mk1 22 Rounds (Drop 3) - mk3/Mx150

[simes43]

Good luck to the Ma5da team.

Yet another own goal on the cards for the BRSCC.