Crossflow, Pinto etc

[agent006]

idly browsing through various Kitcar adverts and keep seeing X-flow and pinto engines referred to.

Easy question, what are they? Made by whom, what's best, most reliable etc.

ta

[Mikey G]

Ford

Had to get the first reply in this one aswell



>> Edited by Mikey G on Sunday 5th September 21:26

[Nighthawk]

Both engines are Ford engines.

X flow is a name given to the kent/valencia/hcs/duratec engines which had OHV and a chain driven camshaft.

the engine was mostly found in mk1 and 2 escorts, and fiestas

the pinto engine is the OHC engine as used in cortina,sierra,granada and transit.

loads of tuning bits for both, and there is a vast amount of online reference material.

HTH

[Mikey G]

Xflow is old overhead valve kent engine generally in 1300-1600cc+ form
Pinto is OHC at 1600 and 2000cc+ form and is also the basis for the cosworth engine
both all iron engines and are fairly strong and reliable for there age

Mike

[agent006]

So given a choice of a x-flow or Pinto, then Pinto is the one to go for?

[Boosted Ls1]

Only if it's the V8 version in aluminium

>> Edited by Boosted Ls1 on Sunday 5th September 22:04

[stevieturbo]

V8 pinto ?? thats a new one....

Pinto would be best bet. Bigger cc to start with, which always counts.

[Boosted Ls1]

stevieturbo said:

V8 pinto ?? thats a new one.... Pinto would be best bet. Bigger cc to start with, which always counts.

Yep, all alloy v8 pinto V8, you never heard of it then?

[Alex M]

And if you want to know what goodies are around for these engines, Burton seems to be one of the most respected names: www.burtonpower.com

[stesrg]

btw also a pinto with a high lift cam a decent carb/exhaust without any other mods will quite happly rev to 7000rpm.

[Mr2Mike]

agent006 said:

So given a choice of a x-flow or Pinto, then Pinto is the one to go for?

The Pinto certainly has the best power potential, but it is an exceptionaly heavy engine for a 2 liter inline four, and it's also quite tall which gives problems in some kit cars.

The crossflow is an aged pushrod design, but despite that is capable of some decent power outputs. Probably more tuning companies cater for these engines than any other.

[grahamw48]

If going for a crossflow, remember to get the 711M block. The strongest one.

I had a good crossflow in a Lotus 7.

Bored out to 1760cc (using 85mm pistons)
Flowed head
High lift cam
Steel crank with forged pistons
All balanced, with lightened flywheel
Lotus Twincam dizzy
Twin 45dcoe webbers
4 into 1 exhaust manifold.

150bhp at the flywheel, loads of torque, and revved to 7,500, with reliability to boot.

Those were the days - no ECUs or Cats.

[Divar]

Good day guys. I want to find out if a 2L 205 pinto EFI motor is Cross flow or reverse flow.

Thank you

[HustleRussell]

Crossflow

[InitialDave]

Yeah, the Crossflow isnt called that because the other Ford engines aren't, it's because it's a development of an older engine that wasn't.

Which, logically enough, most refer to as the pre-crossflow!

[stevesingo]

Divar said:

Good day guys. I want to find out if a 2L 205 pinto EFI motor is Cross flow or reverse flow.

Thank you

I know one who has an old (scrap) Sierra 2.0i. He won't part with it (think Mr Trebus)! I asked him some time ago on behalf of someone who wanted an unleaded head for a Pinto. No dice.

[littleredrooster]

IIRC, the Pinto started as a joint development exercise with Mazda. After the dust had settled, Mazda ended up with a delightful revvy twin-cam (think MX-5) and Ford had the Pinto...


ETA: Holy thread resurrection, Batman!!!!!

[Lotobear]

littleredrooster said:

IIRC, the Pinto started as a joint development exercise with Mazda. After the dust had settled, Mazda ended up with a delightful revvy twin-cam (think MX-5) and Ford had the Pinto...


ETA: Holy thread resurrection, Batman!!!!!

..are you not thinking of the Duratec?

If I recall correctly the Pinto was a Ford USA engine back in the 70's designed for their sub compact car called 'Pinto', it then reached UK vehicles including Mk3 Cortina, Transits and of course the RS2000

edited to say, I'm wrong, it was aactually a Ford Europe design which went over the pond and into the Pinto sub compact!

..it is a boat anchor though!

Edited by Lotobear on Wednesday 29th April 15:06

[InitialDave]

littleredrooster said:

IIRC, the Pinto started as a joint development exercise with Mazda. After the dust had settled, Mazda ended up with a delightful revvy twin-cam (think MX-5) and Ford had the Pinto...

Afraid that sounds apocryphal at best, plus the Ford partnership with Mazda didn't start until the mid 70s, several years after the Pinto was designed.

Incidentally, the Americans continued to use a bored and stroked out version of the Pinto until the early 2000s in the Ranger/B-series pickup.

At least recently you could still buy one new from their industrial/boat engine division!

[InitialDave]

Lotobear said:

..are you not thinking of the Duratec?

If I recall correctly the Pinto was a Ford USA engine back in the 70's designed for their sub compact car called 'Pinto', it then reached UK vehicles including Mk3 Cortina, Transits and of course the RS2000

Other way round, the engine came from this side of the Atlantic, the car in the US came after.