Consulation when speed limits change
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ging84 said:
no they get the signs made up in secret and send out some stealthy construction works dressed all in black to change them over in the night
It's almost as bad as that. "Consultation", if it is undertaken, will take place when most drivers are at work or at times when they will be too busy to attend the meetings. That way, those who can attend, like non-drivers and pensioners, will be the "representatives" of communities' wishes with regard to the next stupid congestion-creating road alteration and speed limit lowering.After reading the last comment, it seems they are.
The local papers are full of rubbish, more adverts than news so get recycled very quickly, why are they not required to put up a notice at the site of the proposed change so everyone gets to know about it and can comment to have a more balanced discussion.
They do it for planning applications but not for speed limit changes.
The local papers are full of rubbish, more adverts than news so get recycled very quickly, why are they not required to put up a notice at the site of the proposed change so everyone gets to know about it and can comment to have a more balanced discussion.
They do it for planning applications but not for speed limit changes.
gottans said:
After reading the last comment, it seems they are.
The local papers are full of rubbish, more adverts than news so get recycled very quickly, why are they not required to put up a notice at the site of the proposed change so everyone gets to know about it and can comment to have a more balanced discussion.
They do it for planning applications but not for speed limit changes.
They do (well, my cahncil does, anyway).The local papers are full of rubbish, more adverts than news so get recycled very quickly, why are they not required to put up a notice at the site of the proposed change so everyone gets to know about it and can comment to have a more balanced discussion.
They do it for planning applications but not for speed limit changes.
Flyers are stuck / nailed to telegraph posts or road sign posts notifying interested parties of proposed limit changes. Of course, the flyers are on sheets of A5 paper in 6 point Ariel Condensed so are impossible to read for a pedestrian, let alone a driver going past at >5mph.
But it's a compliant notice, though
I suspect the HHGTG approach to display is used:
HHGTG said:
"But Mr Dent, the plans have been available in the local planning office for the last nine months."
"Oh yes, well as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or anything."
"But the plans were on display ..."
"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
"That's the display department."
"With a flashlight."
"Ah, well the lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs."
"But look, you found the notice didn't you?"
"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'."
"Oh yes, well as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or anything."
"But the plans were on display ..."
"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
"That's the display department."
"With a flashlight."
"Ah, well the lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs."
"But look, you found the notice didn't you?"
"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'."
I do this for a living (write traffic regulation orders). We are required by law to advertise in the local press and have the proposals available to view in a public place. We also place A4 notices on the lighting columns long the affected roads. Anyone then has the opportunity to object to the proposals.
What's the point in consultations anyway? I rather suspect they make heir minds up and then just go through "due process" to satisfy the consultation rules, such that they are and then go ahead with what they pre-decided anyway.
OK the more reputable and decent councils do actually do things better, but there aren't many of these
OK the more reputable and decent councils do actually do things better, but there aren't many of these
sandman77 said:
I do this for a living (write traffic regulation orders). We are required by law to advertise in the local press and have the proposals available to view in a public place. We also place A4 notices on the lighting columns long the affected roads. Anyone then has the opportunity to object to the proposals.
just out of interest; do you know of any instances where proposed reductions of speed limits have been overturned because of objections raised by members of the public?7mike said:
just out of interest; do you know of any instances where proposed reductions of speed limits have been overturned because of objections raised by members of the public?
Plenty of TRO's have been dropped after objections but I haven't heard of this happening to any related to speed limits. To be honest it is very very rare a speed limit is changed. Most 30mph zones don't require an order. sandman77 said:
Plenty of TRO's have been dropped after objections but I haven't heard of this happening to any related to speed limits. To be honest it is very very rare a speed limit is changed. Most 30mph zones don't require an order.
Thanks for the reply, speed limit changes are not that rare here in Lancashire. it's amazing how often I get overtaken on our new 20mph long straight wide road. Quite a few of the NSLs have taken a hit too. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff