Why do Ford not make a large saloon?
Why do Ford not make a large saloon?
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englisharcher

Original Poster:

1,607 posts

194 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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I used to like the Granada and Scorpio range, but Ford no longer make a large luxury saloon like this.

Is it becouse the Mondeo that replaced the Sierra is so large, or is there another reason?

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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No-one would buy it. Look how they struggle to sell even the Mondeo - who would choose a Ford over a BMW/Audi/Merc when they're looking for a barge?

jamesson

3,713 posts

251 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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In the UK, the 3 series outsells the Mondeo. What chance would they have of taking on the 5 series?

Ford makes plenty of large saloons for other markets but they wouldn't sell here.

surveyor

18,705 posts

214 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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Granada

Model Length Width
2.0i LX 4d 4749 mm x 1778 mm

Mondeo

Length Width
1.8 TDCi ECOnetic 5d 4778 mm 2078 mm

Mondeo is bigger than a Granada.

y2blade

56,321 posts

245 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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After the giant turds that the Granada and Scorpio were!!! I'd rather they didn't try again.


Munter

31,331 posts

271 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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When I went for a job interview (circa 2000), at ford and mentioned that I didn't think the last Scorpio (the hideous one), was as fantastic a success as they may of hoped, the interviewer did have a pained look on his face.

Cars at that level are a status symbol. Something with a ford badge on it is not.

Just look at the success of large French saloons.

mrtwisty

3,057 posts

195 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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Same reason no one markets dogs milk - no one wants it.

DanielSan

20,054 posts

197 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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The new Mondeo is a big car. How big do you need it to be?

Truckosaurus

13,290 posts

314 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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Also, back in the day of the Granada you didn't even have (luxury) SUVs or people carriers which are now the more popular options for people wanting/needing a Big Car.

Big Fat Fatty

3,315 posts

186 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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You could import a Taurus from America,

or a Falcon from Australia

if you really wanted one, it'll probably cost about the same as a Merc when it gets here after taxes and all that gubbins though and the Taurus would be a left hooker only.

They're not much bigger than a Mondeo though tbh and wouldn't sell very well if they had brought them over here.

Edited by Big Fat Fatty on Friday 7th December 13:01

Loplop

2,012 posts

215 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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y2blade said:
After the giant turds that the Granada and Scorpio were!!! I'd rather they didn't try again.
I'll let you say that about the bugeyed Scorpio. But the Mk1, 2 and 3 Granadas were fantastic bits of kit!

Also they disappeared for the same reason the Omega did, the 'Cheap Executive Saloon Bargey Automatic Type Thing' market dried up completely, it doesn't matter that a bursting at the seams Scorpio or Omega Elite cost less than a run of the mill 5 series, people who wanted that kit were willing to pay the extra to have it in a package from a well known prestige brand

Edited by Loplop on Friday 7th December 12:59

mustard tab

293 posts

207 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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Mondeo not big enough for you???

LuS1fer

43,544 posts

275 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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The Mk 4 Mondeo is huge and not many people appreciate they offer a booted saloon and a hatch (or did) which both look almost the same.

We fit 3 kids in the back and the boot is enormous, enough to fit in a child's bike, 3 scooters, a pushchair and a shedload of other stuff that should be in the shed.

kambites

71,599 posts

251 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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The Mondeo is already nearly as big as the 5-series, isn't it?

WeirdNeville

6,050 posts

245 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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Get a falcon.
Though I can't see the 'standard' 4.0 V6 going down well in the eurozone, or at the petrol pumps.

richb77

889 posts

191 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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Its not just Ford.

Renault no longer sell anything bigger than a Megane (correction welcome).

Citroen have dropped the Oh so awesome C6 (Personal opinion).

Alfa have nothing large anymore.

Although I agree that many "average" fleet cars such as the Mondeo and Insignia are now larger than the old Granada and Senator.

So does that mean the focus and Astra now site where the Sierra, Cavalier sat....Answering my own question i guess so as the Ka is only the size of an old Fiesta....


What ^ said except the V8 is better smile

clockworks

7,777 posts

175 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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The Mk3 Granada was a great car - had 3 of them, all secondhand and shed money. Carlton was a great car, too.

I agree that no-one would buy them new these days. British companies are happy for their middle managers to drive cars with a German badge now, which wasn't the case 20 years ago. Not surprising, really since the big Vauxhalls and Fords were made in Germany anyway (or was it Belgium for the Granada?).

Loplop

2,012 posts

215 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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clockworks said:
The Mk3 Granada was a great car - had 3 of them, all secondhand and shed money.
My Grandad had a 2.0 I4 one on the Taxis, 340+k miles it had on it when he part ex'd it on a nearly new R Reg Mondeo.
It only ever had a gearbox, two headgaskets and wheel bearings (besides consumables such as pads and tyres.)

SpeedBash

2,796 posts

217 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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Didn't VW enter this market a few years ago with the Phaeton?

Do they still make it?

I'm guessing not as I don't think I've actually seen one on the roads.

Wacky Racer

41,395 posts

277 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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clockworks said:
The Mk3 Granada was a great car - had 3 of them, all secondhand and shed money. Carlton was a great car, too.

I agree that no-one would buy them new these days. British companies are happy for their middle managers to drive cars with a German badge now, which wasn't the case 20 years ago. Not surprising, really since the big Vauxhalls and Fords were made in Germany anyway (or was it Belgium for the Granada?).
This.

I had two Mk 3 2.0 Pinto engined Ghia Granadas, great cars, kept one till 140,000 miles, never missed a beat, no rust anywhere...