Mondeo ST Tdci or Honda Accord CTDI?
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Hopefully got a buyer for the Golf and looking for something a little bigger, Cant really find much out there I like except the Mondeo ST Tdci or the Accord 2.2 CTDI.
Can anyone shed some light on what these are like? Is there many problems or things to look out for?
I only have about £3000 to play with so it will probably have approx 100k on the clock, I have had nothing but problems with the Golf so looking for something more reliable.
Heres a couple of ones I might go and view if the sale goes through:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2005-HONDA-ACCORD-I-CTDI...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/05-Reg-Ford-Mondeo-ST-2-...
Both quite local to me, think i could get the Accord a little cheaper.
Thanks
Can anyone shed some light on what these are like? Is there many problems or things to look out for?
I only have about £3000 to play with so it will probably have approx 100k on the clock, I have had nothing but problems with the Golf so looking for something more reliable.
Heres a couple of ones I might go and view if the sale goes through:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2005-HONDA-ACCORD-I-CTDI...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/05-Reg-Ford-Mondeo-ST-2-...
Both quite local to me, think i could get the Accord a little cheaper.
Thanks
Accord 2.0 petrol would be my suggestion.
Diesel is more expensive, more prone to problems (the 2.2 is prone to the same DMF issues as all e other modern diesels along with timing chain issues, cracked manifolds, and the gas recicrculation system commonly gives issues and blocks
More to it than the possible10mpg gain you will get from the diesel, one break down and that gain is no longer relevant.
The k20 and k24 engines are proven and bullet proof units that will likely give far less issues.
Diesel is more expensive, more prone to problems (the 2.2 is prone to the same DMF issues as all e other modern diesels along with timing chain issues, cracked manifolds, and the gas recicrculation system commonly gives issues and blocks
More to it than the possible10mpg gain you will get from the diesel, one break down and that gain is no longer relevant.
The k20 and k24 engines are proven and bullet proof units that will likely give far less issues.
Edited by Jakey123 on Sunday 9th December 14:08
OP - I've done some maths for you-
Assuming you cover 500 miles per week every week, a petrol at 35mpg would cost £16 per week more to run than a diesel at 45mpg.
In reality the petrol Accord will probably better 35 mpg so the difference will be narrowed.
To take this maths a bit further, if either your DMF or injectors on the diesel fail, and fail one of them probably will, then the bill would be about £1,000 - £1,200. In other words, if you get one expensive failure in the diesel then you'll need to run the car for over a year to make back the savings.
I honestly think the Accord 2.0 petrol would be a better bet, the diesel version never achieved anything like it's claimed economy figures when I sold them. I would guess that on a like for like run the petrol would never be more than 10mpg down on the diesel, which actually isn't a big deal as you can see above. A petrol will also cost less to buy, or you will get one in better condition than equivalent diesel.
I've previously owned an ST TDCi and it was a disaster of a purchase, ate it's DMF within 3 weeks (£1,200 thanks very much, that would have bought lots of petrol) and then a month after that the injectors started packing in (£1,000 again thanks)
I part exchanged it for a Z4 3.0 petrol and lost 6mpg on my commute to work. Needless to say I don't miss the Mondog.
Good luck with whatever you decide, but seriously, please consider the maths above and think about a petrol!
ETA - the miserable and expensive failures on my Mondog ST TDCI occurred at about 70K miles so you can't even be sure on a low mileage model....
Assuming you cover 500 miles per week every week, a petrol at 35mpg would cost £16 per week more to run than a diesel at 45mpg.
In reality the petrol Accord will probably better 35 mpg so the difference will be narrowed.
To take this maths a bit further, if either your DMF or injectors on the diesel fail, and fail one of them probably will, then the bill would be about £1,000 - £1,200. In other words, if you get one expensive failure in the diesel then you'll need to run the car for over a year to make back the savings.
I honestly think the Accord 2.0 petrol would be a better bet, the diesel version never achieved anything like it's claimed economy figures when I sold them. I would guess that on a like for like run the petrol would never be more than 10mpg down on the diesel, which actually isn't a big deal as you can see above. A petrol will also cost less to buy, or you will get one in better condition than equivalent diesel.
I've previously owned an ST TDCi and it was a disaster of a purchase, ate it's DMF within 3 weeks (£1,200 thanks very much, that would have bought lots of petrol) and then a month after that the injectors started packing in (£1,000 again thanks)
I part exchanged it for a Z4 3.0 petrol and lost 6mpg on my commute to work. Needless to say I don't miss the Mondog.
Good luck with whatever you decide, but seriously, please consider the maths above and think about a petrol!
ETA - the miserable and expensive failures on my Mondog ST TDCI occurred at about 70K miles so you can't even be sure on a low mileage model....
Another vote for the Accord. I've done just short of 90k in my 2007 2.4 petrol auto Accord. It's never needed anything other than servicing. The 2.0 and 2.4 are sweet engines. Even my local Honda dealer gives good service and not at a bad price.
I mainly do motorway miles, though with some local and city thrown in and manage just short of 34mpg. When I change, it will be for a newer Accord petrol.
Oh and I picked up a one owner mint car for very little money. It's an EX so has all the toys too....and they all keep working....
I mainly do motorway miles, though with some local and city thrown in and manage just short of 34mpg. When I change, it will be for a newer Accord petrol.
Oh and I picked up a one owner mint car for very little money. It's an EX so has all the toys too....and they all keep working....
Edited by Bohemianesque on Sunday 9th December 16:10
Bohemianesque said:
I mainly do motorway miles, though with some local and city thrown in and manage just short of 34mpg. When I change, it will be for a newer Accord petrol.
There you go OP, 34mpg from a 2.4 Auto which is renowned as a thirsty engine, I honestly think you'd get very high 30's from a 2.0 manual, the diesel never topped about 45mpg, which means the fuel cost difference will be even less than I suggested.And as a comparison....of a kind. The Mrs has a Honda FRV (manual) with the diesel engine. Admittedly, she does mainly local runs....(I drive it too)...it averages about 37mpg. In terms of smoothness, no comparison. Petrol. Plus the servicing is cheaper. Also her DMF needed to be replaced just out of warranty. Honda were fab in that they shouldered the majority of the cost.
I had an Accord 2.4 auto from 2003 until April this year. I had done just over 50k when I sold it. The things that went wrong in 8 1/2 years?:-
1. Alternator after 8 years
er, that's it.
Mrs CH had a CR- V from new for the same period, with the 2.0 i-vtec engine. Her list of faults, consists of:-
1. Two rear brale light bulbs
2. A new battery.
These cars with that engine a amazingly reliable in this family's experience. Would never hesitate to recommend them
I hope we're as lucky with the Cayenne and ML we replaced them with, but I doubt it.
1. Alternator after 8 years
er, that's it.
Mrs CH had a CR- V from new for the same period, with the 2.0 i-vtec engine. Her list of faults, consists of:-
1. Two rear brale light bulbs
2. A new battery.
These cars with that engine a amazingly reliable in this family's experience. Would never hesitate to recommend them
I hope we're as lucky with the Cayenne and ML we replaced them with, but I doubt it.
Thanks for the replies everyone, Never had such good replies! I suppose the petrol really is worth considering then if I can get hold of one.
I don't mind spending a little more a week on fuel if its going to be more reliable as my Golf has had a fair few problems!
Can anyone else recommend other similar cars if I looked in to getting a petrol?
I don't mind spending a little more a week on fuel if its going to be more reliable as my Golf has had a fair few problems!
Can anyone else recommend other similar cars if I looked in to getting a petrol?
Mondeo 1.8 or 2.0 petrol.
The Accord is a bit more plush, but Mondeo will get the job done quite nicely and cost less to buy.
ETA - that reads a bit like I think the Mondeo is the better car, and it is a good car in petrol form, but if you can get the Accord 2.0 you will struggle to get better than that engine
The Accord is a bit more plush, but Mondeo will get the job done quite nicely and cost less to buy.
ETA - that reads a bit like I think the Mondeo is the better car, and it is a good car in petrol form, but if you can get the Accord 2.0 you will struggle to get better than that engine
Edited by Blue Oval84 on Sunday 9th December 19:32
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