Managers job prospects
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Morning all
A jobs come up recently at my work, to manage a small team. I'm very interested in applying, the wage isn't great but it's a step on the ladder to success in my eyes..
Anyway on the job application they've asked for any previous managing experience...
Do I tell them about the time I got Barnsley into the Champions league? Or when we almost beat United...
Lol
Am I screwed? I have no previous experience
A jobs come up recently at my work, to manage a small team. I'm very interested in applying, the wage isn't great but it's a step on the ladder to success in my eyes..
Anyway on the job application they've asked for any previous managing experience...
Do I tell them about the time I got Barnsley into the Champions league? Or when we almost beat United...
Lol
Am I screwed? I have no previous experience
Often catch 22, but possible to get there 
I would suggest looking at any experience you have of coordinating tasks, even if it's your own work. Although you can't gain person-management experience by managing your own projects, you should still have demonstrable experience of aspects of project management, risk management, issue escalation, etc. Look at any times you've had to delegate work, even if it's to colleagues, any work with a stakeholder/project sponsor, managing expectations upwards, work with 3rd parties who require managing, and so on. If you don't have experience of any of these things, you may struggle - but at the least it will let your employer formally know you're interested in a managerial role. If you don't get it, perhaps you could ask to take on some of these tasks, so that next time one comes up, you will have some experience. Many people (myself included) who have moved into management/leadership roles have gradually taken on some of the aspects of the role before finally moving into it full-time.
To flip it around, what do you think makes you a good candidate for the role? Why should they hire you and not the guy who currently sits next to you doing the same job as you today?
I would suggest looking at any experience you have of coordinating tasks, even if it's your own work. Although you can't gain person-management experience by managing your own projects, you should still have demonstrable experience of aspects of project management, risk management, issue escalation, etc. Look at any times you've had to delegate work, even if it's to colleagues, any work with a stakeholder/project sponsor, managing expectations upwards, work with 3rd parties who require managing, and so on. If you don't have experience of any of these things, you may struggle - but at the least it will let your employer formally know you're interested in a managerial role. If you don't get it, perhaps you could ask to take on some of these tasks, so that next time one comes up, you will have some experience. Many people (myself included) who have moved into management/leadership roles have gradually taken on some of the aspects of the role before finally moving into it full-time.
To flip it around, what do you think makes you a good candidate for the role? Why should they hire you and not the guy who currently sits next to you doing the same job as you today?
Apply,
It shows you are committed to your career and and the company,
Even if they say no, you will be known as someone who wants to move up and may be considered for future opportunities
They may allow you to take the role on an interim cover basis and assess you while they interview etc and you get the chance to prove your potential
They may say yes and give you the training (if asked in an interview what training would you like/need ask for formal line managers training)
They may opt to include you in training anyway to help you cover the gap for a future opportunity....
I'm my eyes do it, I have never had a bad reaction to showing interest.
Also consider asking for a meeting to discuss your potential to apply for the role, this is a good halfway step. Go in with a clear idea of what you would bring to the role.
Above all keep it confidential! Until you are successful
Good luck!
It shows you are committed to your career and and the company,
Even if they say no, you will be known as someone who wants to move up and may be considered for future opportunities
They may allow you to take the role on an interim cover basis and assess you while they interview etc and you get the chance to prove your potential
They may say yes and give you the training (if asked in an interview what training would you like/need ask for formal line managers training)
They may opt to include you in training anyway to help you cover the gap for a future opportunity....
I'm my eyes do it, I have never had a bad reaction to showing interest.
Also consider asking for a meeting to discuss your potential to apply for the role, this is a good halfway step. Go in with a clear idea of what you would bring to the role.
Above all keep it confidential! Until you are successful
Good luck!
Thanks for the replies, I have until Friday to get my application in.
To apply, there is no form, only thing I have been asked to do is hand a letter of interest to my current line manager, going to get to work on that now.
May post it in here when done, I'm a few opinions wont hurt
once again thanks for the replies, much appreciated!
To apply, there is no form, only thing I have been asked to do is hand a letter of interest to my current line manager, going to get to work on that now.
May post it in here when done, I'm a few opinions wont hurt
once again thanks for the replies, much appreciated!
DanielJames said:
I dont think Im going to go for it now.
The guy who was originally meant to fall into the job has decided he wants it again, very pally pally with the line manager - whats the point in even going for it?
Whats the point in even advertising it???
I would go for it.The guy who was originally meant to fall into the job has decided he wants it again, very pally pally with the line manager - whats the point in even going for it?
Whats the point in even advertising it???
It signals your intention
You get the chance to test your interview and persuasion skills
You might even get the job!!
The jiffle king said:
I would go for it.
It signals your intention
You get the chance to test your interview and persuasion skills
You might even get the job!!
I totally agree. As long as you go for it with the correct mindset and don't let the outcome affect your current position, then you should always put your name in the hat. It lets your boss know that you are ambitious.It signals your intention
You get the chance to test your interview and persuasion skills
You might even get the job!!
Just remember if you don't get it, don't take it personally or let it gnaw away at you and never burn your bridges or put yourself in an awkward position.
Bob
i.e. don't start the interview with "if I don't get it, I'll leave"....
DanielJames said:
I dont think Im going to go for it now.
The guy who was originally meant to fall into the job has decided he wants it again, very pally pally with the line manager - whats the point in even going for it?
Whats the point in even advertising it???
Lose that attitude if you want to have even half a chanceThe guy who was originally meant to fall into the job has decided he wants it again, very pally pally with the line manager - whats the point in even going for it?
Whats the point in even advertising it???
Edited by S10GTA on Thursday 13th December 19:10
Go for it mate, my motto is always "no regrets'. If you apply and don't get it so what, if you don't apply you won't get it.
I had a similar thing at my work, hadn't been there long, I'm only there weekends because of Uni, but thought I'd apply for the new position anyway, and I got it, be it a one day a week contract, but that's exactly what I wanted.
I had a similar thing at my work, hadn't been there long, I'm only there weekends because of Uni, but thought I'd apply for the new position anyway, and I got it, be it a one day a week contract, but that's exactly what I wanted.
Sods Law said:
Suggest you stop typing on here and get that application letter typed, as we have all said there are benefits to applying even if unsuccessful!
Absolutely this... As (further!) anecdotal evidence, a couple of years I got an e-mail from someone I'd never met about an opportunity in another department... We met for a chat, found I had an appropriate background but certainly wasn't an 'expert' in the discipline and I was pretty much offered the job on the spot, but declined it as it didn't suit my long-term career plans...On the way out that night his boss (who I'd met a few times before) collared me in the car park, and asked me how 'it' went... I told him (still confused!) that I was happy where I was, to which he replied "Oh... I've been keeping tabs on you ever since you applied for that other job and would have loved to have had you on the team"... A case of mistaken identity it would appear, but it just goes to show that if you don't ask (not that I did!!) you don't get!
Am a bit late replying, but as others have said by applying you are demonstrating interest which (if the organisation is worth working for) should be a good thing. You may get it, if not then ask for feedback, tell them you want to progress but would welcome their comments on how to prepare / improve so that they would give uou an opportunity should it come up
You never know what might happen and (nearly)all experience of going through the process and interviewing prepares you better for the next opportunity.
You never know what might happen and (nearly)all experience of going through the process and interviewing prepares you better for the next opportunity.
still go for it, dont give up on stuff so easily. You never know.
Also, when applying dont put stuff in the letter about " I think I could do this" "im sure I have the skills"
give clear evidence of persona and business achievements which can be measured and are potentially transferable.
Also, when applying dont put stuff in the letter about " I think I could do this" "im sure I have the skills"
give clear evidence of persona and business achievements which can be measured and are potentially transferable.
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