Pat Finucane murder
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BliarOut

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72,863 posts

263 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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This has the potential to get very messy.

State collusion, what implications does that have I wonder and more importantly, what will be covered up?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-2066...

Very scary if I'm reading between the lines correctly.

Eric Mc

124,994 posts

289 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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It was a dirty war with dirty carry-on by both sides.

The Don of Croy

6,358 posts

183 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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Listening to the beeb this morning they described the killing as "one of the most notorious murders in NI", which, given the number to choose from, is quite some statement.

Perhaps it will open a can of worms, but then again, it's all a long time ago...

mattnunn

14,041 posts

185 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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I always assumed Pat Finucane was a women! I got him mixed up with Veronica Guerin.

Disgraceful way for an army to behave - helping people get killed in a war, I mean, who'd have thought it?

mrmarcus

668 posts

203 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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You know, this was a long time ago. Things have moved on alot since 1989 in NI. The RUC would have been standing behind the rioters of the past week in NI instead of observing them from across the road like the PSNI.

What has been released today is a review of existing findings from a previous investigation and look what has come to light. The PM is being asked to carry out a full independent inquiry but is refusing, because in my opinion, and to quote the movie "you can't handle the truth".

Eric Mc

124,994 posts

289 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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mrmarcus said:
The RUC would have been standing behind the rioters of the past week in NI instead of observing them from across the road like the PSNI.
Isn't the PSNI's job to uphold the democratic institutions of Northern Ireland and the decisions they take under the democratic process?

Or is democracy only supposed to work when it arrives at a conclusion you agree with?

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

191 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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The Don of Croy said:
but then again, it's all a long time ago...
They do seem to have rather long memories though.

Eric Mc

124,994 posts

289 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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1169 is only yesterday to the Irish.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

270 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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mrmarcus said:
You know, this was a long time ago.
Regrettably digging up old stuff has become rather fashionable in 2012...

mrmarcus

668 posts

203 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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Eric Mc said:
Isn't the PSNI's job to uphold the democratic institutions of Northern Ireland and the decisions they take under the democratic process?
Of course

Eric Mc said:
Or is democracy only supposed to work when it arrives at a conclusion you agree with?
Democracy should always work

My point is that things have come along way since 1989 but maybe the water cannons were broke last week yeah? Great use out of them in the summer though.

Eric Mc

124,994 posts

289 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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Probably welcome back then.

Caulkhead

4,938 posts

181 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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Eric Mc said:
1169 is only yesterday to the Irish.
That certainly explains their attitude to abortion.

trickywoo

13,766 posts

254 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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My perception is that even if someone was convicted they would be 'released' under the Good Friday agreement - so what is the point?

I'd be surprised if the Sinn Fein leadership who have been rewarded with high political office haven't been involved with similar.

Eric Mc

124,994 posts

289 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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Caulkhead said:
Eric Mc said:
1169 is only yesterday to the Irish.
That certainly explains their attitude to abortion.
It's the compulsory archery practice that p****s them off.

BOR

5,097 posts

279 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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It's a pretty damning Report, and an adequate appology from Cameron. I not sure there is anything more that can reasonably be expected. Convictions of those involved would be impossible to achieve, I would have thought.

I think it's another relic of the past that should be left to rest now.

State execution is pretty disturbing though, it has to be said.

XCP

17,610 posts

252 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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Eric Mc said:
It was a dirty war with dirty carry-on by both sides.
Quite.
I am surprised anyone is surprised by this revelation.

HundredthIdiot

4,477 posts

308 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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mattnunn said:
Disgraceful way for an army to behave - helping people get killed in a war, I mean, who'd have thought it?
They didn't "help", they orchestrated it, at least judging by the BBC coverage, haven't had time to read the report.

And Finucane was a civvie.

According to wikipedia:

"Finucane was shot dead at his home in Fortwilliam Drive, north Belfast, by Ken Barrett and another masked man using a Browning Hi-Power 9mm pistol and a .38 revolver respectively. He was hit 14 times.[11] The two gunmen knocked down the front door with a sledgehammer and entered the kitchen where Finucane had been having a Sunday meal with his family; they immediately opened fire and shot him twice, knocking him to the floor. Then while standing over him, the leading gunman fired 12 bullets into his face at close range.[12] His wife Geraldine was slightly wounded in the shooting attack which their three children witnessed as they hid underneath the table"

Sickening.

trickywoo

13,766 posts

254 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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HundredthIdiot said:
They didn't "help", they orchestrated it, at least judging by the BBC coverage, haven't had time to read the report.

And Finucane was a civvie.

According to wikipedia:

"Finucane was shot dead at his home in Fortwilliam Drive, north Belfast, by Ken Barrett and another masked man using a Browning Hi-Power 9mm pistol and a .38 revolver respectively. He was hit 14 times.[11] The two gunmen knocked down the front door with a sledgehammer and entered the kitchen where Finucane had been having a Sunday meal with his family; they immediately opened fire and shot him twice, knocking him to the floor. Then while standing over him, the leading gunman fired 12 bullets into his face at close range.[12] His wife Geraldine was slightly wounded in the shooting attack which their three children witnessed as they hid underneath the table"

Sickening.
According to wikipedia:

In 2009 so well after the 'troubles' had been resolved.

At about 21:40 that evening, four off-duty British soldiers of the Royal Engineers walked outside the barracks to receive a pizza delivery from two delivery men.[5][6] As the exchange was taking place, two gunmen in a nearby car (a green Vauxhall Cavalier) opened fire with Romanian AKM automatic rifles.[7] The firing lasted for more than 30 seconds with more than 60 shots being fired.[8] After the initial burst of gunfire, the gunmen walked over to the wounded soldiers and fired again at close range, killing two of them.[5][9] Those killed were Sappers Mark Quinsey from Birmingham and Patrick Azimkar from London.[10][11] The other two soldiers and two deliverymen were wounded.

Sickening.

I don't see the point of your post. There were hundreds of 'sickening' attacks on both sides.

Jasandjules

72,036 posts

253 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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BliarOut said:
State collusion, what implications does that have I wonder and more importantly, what will be covered up?
It's been a while since I read it but I am pretty sure that McNab recounts far more about that kind of thing going on.

IroningMan

10,598 posts

270 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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Savile (the other one) took twelve years and cost £400 million - we could have had a full-on 'Truth and Reconcilliation' commission for that.

Or a whole mountain of things that would have made a measurable difference to the lives of the people of NI.