Christmas Bonuses
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nosittap

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381 posts

174 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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My employer has recently changed the xmas bonus structure, it used to give every employee a fixed sum, but now it's a percentage of our salaries capped with lower and upper limits, and as a result the majority of staff are getting less than in previous years.

It's caused a bit of controversy in the office as the bonus has always to reward staff for the business doing well, so a fixed sum was fair for everyone, but now the majority are getting less and only the higher earners are getting the same/more than previous year.

It's an odd decision as we have had record breaking profits year on year recently.

So PH, just wondering how others xmas bonuses are calculated and if others have similar experiences?

Odie

4,187 posts

211 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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I dont get one, never have.

I do get a monthly bonus, which I get when a significant proportion of staff that have nowt to do with me perform adequately...

Podie

46,649 posts

304 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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You get a bonus?

And you're complaining?

Semi hemi

1,801 posts

227 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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BANKER!

whoami

13,200 posts

269 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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nosittap said:
so a fixed sum was fair for everyone,
Why is everyone getting the same bonus fair?

Edited by whoami on Thursday 13th December 16:38

Soovy

35,829 posts

300 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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Assuming it's not contractual then it's not an entitlement. Anything is a bonus, so to speak.


nosittap

Original Poster:

381 posts

174 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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I'm not personally bothered, it's not a term in our contracts and at the dicretion of the company entirely and I'm grateful for it,

What strikes me as stange is the way it's calculated, fixed sum vs percentage of salary, and was just wondering how others xmas bonus are calculated.

The upper limit is 20% above last years sum but the lower limit is 10% under, does not seem like a fair way to calculate things for a universal bonus. It's pissed a lot of people off in the office, upper management getting a larger slice of the pie at the rest of the staff's expense.

Marf

22,907 posts

270 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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Semi hemi said:
BANKER!

okgo

42,085 posts

227 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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nosittap said:
I'm not personally bothered, it's not a term in our contracts and at the dicretion of the company entirely and I'm grateful for it,

What strikes me as stange is the way it's calculated, fixed sum vs percentage of salary, and was just wondering how others xmas bonus are calculated.

The upper limit is 20% above last years sum but the lower limit is 10% under, does not seem like a fair way to calculate things for a universal bonus. It's pissed a lot of people off in the office, upper management getting a larger slice of the pie at the rest of the staff's expense.
They also get paid more than the drones, does that annoy them too?

Get over it. Be thankful your company bothers at all I reckon.

Slurms

1,254 posts

233 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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nosittap said:
I'm not personally bothered, it's not a term in our contracts and at the dicretion of the company entirely and I'm grateful for it,

What strikes me as stange is the way it's calculated, fixed sum vs percentage of salary, and was just wondering how others xmas bonus are calculated.

The upper limit is 20% above last years sum but the lower limit is 10% under, does not seem like a fair way to calculate things for a universal bonus. It's pissed a lot of people off in the office, upper management getting a larger slice of the pie at the rest of the staff's expense.
Typically in the few schemes i've either been part of or had reported to me by friends the percentage is way more common than a fixed sum.

Especially when you have a workforce with quite a scope in wages.

A £500 bonus to someone on £100,000 is worth much less than someone on £25,000

but if you make it 2% then it's more respresentative of the salary structure.

sunoco69

5,274 posts

194 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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We used to get a small gift voucher until the boss discovered that he was breaking tax rules.

Now we get a fixed amount in our wage in December, which is taxed! Oh and we all get the same no matter position or salary, and it ain't a lot.

Muzzer79

13,032 posts

216 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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nosittap said:
It's pissed a lot of people off in the office, upper management getting a larger slice of the pie at the rest of the staff's expense.
I see this attitude a lot. It's very frustrating.

Upper management get a bigger slice of the pie because they have more responsibility, etc.

It's not all cigars and brandy on work jollies. If you want a bigger slice of the pie, work harder for it.

nosittap

Original Poster:

381 posts

174 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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Thanks for the replies, I'm not a banker by the way, although I do work for a finance company.

As I mentioned I am personally grateful and treat bonuses as precisely that, a bonus. As this is the only finance company I have worked for, just seeing if this is 'normal' in the industry.

The mood in the office has been down as a result, as they already pay less than market averages many feel it's the bonuses is the only thing that make the job worth it, and it's disgruntled a fair few members of staff.

But I know, first world problems, we're in a recession don't you know and all that bks.


anonymous-user

83 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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nosittap said:
Thanks for the replies, I'm not a banker by the way, although I do work for a finance company.

As I mentioned I am personally grateful and treat bonuses as precisely that, a bonus. As this is the only finance company I have worked for, just seeing if this is 'normal' in the industry.

The mood in the office has been down as a result, as they already pay less than market averages many feel it's the bonuses is the only thing that make the job worth it, and it's disgruntled a fair few members of staff.

But I know, first world problems, we're in a recession don't you know and all that bks.

I wouldn't worry, if it's that big a problem to your colleagues they can always move to one of the companies that pay more, can't they?

nosittap

Original Poster:

381 posts

174 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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Muzzer79 said:
If you want a bigger slice of the pie, work harder for it.
I do work damn hard, I've worked up to the position I'm in now, and intend to go much further.

But the 'you should work harder then' attitude is rather naive.



nosittap

Original Poster:

381 posts

174 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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REALIST123 said:
I wouldn't worry, if it's that big a problem to your colleagues they can always move to one of the companies that pay more, can't they?
Appropriate username laugh

They can certainly try, won't stop everyone bhing and moaning though, It's all everyone has been talking about all week.

dozen

148 posts

235 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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An ex employer of mine once gave the whole workforce Christmas "bonuses" in the form of a £10 note stapled to the wage slips.

Most people honestly thought it was a joke. It wasn't.

It was a few years ago and just thinking about it now makes me cringe.

BrabusMog

21,764 posts

215 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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Employees just love to moan. There was an across the board 3% salary increase this year at our company and I pushed for a couple in my team to get 5% due to additional work they've been putting in and the quality of it. One just said, "OK," when I told them not mention it was more than other staff and the other said, "is that all I'm getting?" Cheeky beggar!

Black can man

31,973 posts

197 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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We get a "Happy Christmas" message in our december pay slip

Any bonus would be nice

Defcon5

6,465 posts

220 months

Thursday 13th December 2012
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My bonus is coming to work on Christmas Day, Boxing Day, New Year's Eve and New Year's Day.

Double bubble? Where do I sign!