400 SE or 450 SE chassis needed :(
400 SE or 450 SE chassis needed :(
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seamus

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304 months

Tuesday 7th September 2004
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After some help for a guy I have come across who has a 400 SE which unfortunately has been attacked by the dreaded rust - initially it was thought that it was purely the outriggers but it has nearly all gone - hence beyond repair as nothing can be welded inplace of the rusty bits without the the original chassis jig. The options available are - find a damaged/knackered 400 SE/450 SE with a sound chassis or at worse with dodgy outriggers, or, get a copy of the chassis blueprints and build a totally new one.. second has 2 hopes and one of them is no longer with us.. your help as always appreciated.. fingers crossed another can be saved.. btw - DouglasValley have none

dickymint

28,321 posts

280 months

Tuesday 7th September 2004
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Bit pricey for what you need it for but Tasmania has his SEAC project for sale! He may well be able to give some advice/help though.
Hope you can save it

seamus

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304 months

Tuesday 7th September 2004
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dickymint said:
Bit pricey for what you need it for but Tasmania has his SEAC project for sale! He may well be able to give some advice/help though.
Hope you can save it


Thanks for the thought Rich, Unfortunately the 350/SEAC chassis differs to the 400/450 SEs.. fingers crossed one will make itself available..

19560

14,086 posts

280 months

Tuesday 7th September 2004
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When I was a TVRCC RO there were two companies that would make a new chassis - either TVR (or David Gerald) depending upon the age of the chassis and an aircraft company. I can't remember the name of the latter but IIRC it was in the ROs info pack.

dickymint

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rev-erend

21,596 posts

306 months

Tuesday 7th September 2004
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Seamus - didn't you mention that Perry at V8 Classic's wanted to build a 'Stainless Chassis' but just needed a customer !

seamus

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Tuesday 7th September 2004
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rev-erend said:
Seamus - didn't you mention that Perry at V8 Classic's wanted to build a 'Stainless Chassis' but just needed a customer !


Indeed, but this guys budget may not stretch to that, I think the preferred course is to find one in reasonable condition.. if all else fails then he may have to go that route... don't envy any chassis work (got the t-shirt and it still stinks )..

stainless_steve

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280 months

Tuesday 7th September 2004
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Do you think TVR would sell all the jigs?

19560

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280 months

Wednesday 8th September 2004
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stainless_steve said:
Do you think TVR would sell all the jigs?


There's a fair bit of talk about getting rid of the Griff/Chimp stuff so they must be itching to get rid of the Wedge bits, jigs and moulds.

Can S/S be braised?

stainless_steve

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280 months

Wednesday 8th September 2004
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19560 said:

stainless_steve said:
Do you think TVR would sell all the jigs?



There's a fair bit of talk about getting rid of the Griff/Chimp stuff so they must be itching to get rid of the Wedge bits, jigs and moulds.

Can S/S be braised?

Never tried,i just tig weld it.Do you need anything welding?

rev-erend

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306 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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I'm not sure if MOT & Build regulations allow braising on the chassis..

Welding is must stronger for thicker metal.

19560

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280 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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Aren't all TVR chassis braised?

grahamw48

9,944 posts

260 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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I was always given to understand that brazing was not permitted for 'structural' stuff, as far as MOT goes.
Apparently brazing doesn't 'melt' the two pieces together, but acts more like a glue. Big difference.
Glues can come unstuck !

Perhaps a welder can explain the difference in a more scientific manner?

19560

14,086 posts

280 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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Remember that the Elise chassis is stuck together.

gsx600

2,740 posts

270 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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What about the wooden chassis aka Morgan ?

They are probably glued with bolts going through them ?

rev-erend

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306 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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19560 said:
Remember that the Elise chassis is stuck together.


It is also rivetted too .. I think

19560

14,086 posts

280 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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gsx600 said:
What about the wooden chassis aka Morgan ?

They are probably glued with bolts going through them ?



No; the Morgan has a steel chassis with a wooden floor - standard pre-war construction just like my Alvis and the original TVR since it used an Alvis rolling chassis.

>> Edited by 19560 on Thursday 9th September 17:54

19560

14,086 posts

280 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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rev-erend said:

19560 said:
Remember that the Elise chassis is stuck together.


It is also rivetted too .. I think


The strength is in the glue - I don't remember any rivets but if there are any it will be for location only. Lotus make quite a point that there chassis is structurally glued together.

stainless_steve

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280 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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19560 said:
Aren't all TVR chassis braised?

They will be mig welded

grahamw48

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260 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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Hmmm, and what about the early Marcos (Marci? ) ?

Anyway, I think the idea is that if it's steel or alloy, it should be welded so it doesn't come apart, collapse in a heap, or crack. Sounds fair enough.

A bit embarrassing if your Wedge turned into a Marshmallow at the first humpbacked bridge.