Liquid Air

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DP1

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259 posts

221 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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Whilst on the motorway yesterday I passed a BOC truck carrying Liquid Air which started a debate about what it's used for and why can't they just create it on site for what it's needed for.

Supplementary question is how much space would a litre of liquid air take up in it's gaseous state.

Thanks in advance.

Puggit

48,455 posts

248 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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For cooling things. Heavily used in various manufacturing processes.

Used in the Fat Duck too hehe

weeredmetro

133 posts

169 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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I'm not sure about liquid air, but liquid nitrogen (air is 80% nitrogen) is commonly used for cooling sensitive scientific equipment to -195 degrees C (at these temperatures, thermal effects are minimised)

Liquid air could be either literally air (80% nitrogen, 20% oxygen, traces of other gases) cooled to liquid temperatures, or a catchall phrase to cover the lorry delivering liquid nitrogen one day, liquid helium the next)

1L of liquid will fill approximately 1000L when it turns to gas. The exact number depends on the liquid, but 1:1000 is the usual "back of an envelope" calculation.

Simpo Two

85,475 posts

265 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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Think of the number of trucks they'd need to carry it if it wasn't liquified.

By liquifying it they save 999 trucks.

GokTweed

3,799 posts

151 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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Simpo Two said:
Think of the number of trucks they'd need to carry it if it wasn't liquified.

By liquifying it they save 999 trucks.
Or just one truck with the air at a really high pressure

TheEnd

15,370 posts

188 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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GokTweed said:
Simpo Two said:
Think of the number of trucks they'd need to carry it if it wasn't liquified.

By liquifying it they save 999 trucks.
Or just one truck with the air at a really high pressure
er.. yes...

GokTweed

3,799 posts

151 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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TheEnd said:
GokTweed said:
Simpo Two said:
Think of the number of trucks they'd need to carry it if it wasn't liquified.

By liquifying it they save 999 trucks.
Or just one truck with the air at a really high pressure
er.. yes...
that would be one hell of a bang smile

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

255 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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Simpo Two said:
Think of the number of trucks they'd need to carry it if it wasn't liquified.

By liquifying it they save 999 trucks.
genius! hehe

Simpo Two

85,475 posts

265 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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Wait until I launch my next space-saving scheme - desiccated water. A must for travellers and explorers everywhere. No more cumbersome water bottles, just a tiny sachet of water crystals.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

255 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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Just add water?

Simpo Two

85,475 posts

265 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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Yep, it's so easy to use you didn't even need instructions thumbup







How many cases shall I put you down for?

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

255 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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3... Do you ship with water included? I realise it is an expensive extra, but...

G600

1,479 posts

187 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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You'd need one hell of a compressor to make it on site, we use liquid nitrogen to cool bushes to shrink it for tight fits into bores.

Simpo Two

85,475 posts

265 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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TheHeretic said:
3... Do you ship with water included? I realise it is an expensive extra, but...
We can, but recommend you source it at your destination, as it saves considerable weight during your expedition.

The Wookie

13,956 posts

228 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Simplest answer would be economies of scale for the cooling process

Billsnemesis

817 posts

237 months

Friday 21st December 2012
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Simpo Two said:
Wait until I launch my next space-saving scheme - desiccated water. A must for travellers and explorers everywhere. No more cumbersome water bottles, just a tiny sachet of water crystals.
Those of a certain age may remember Magpie, the ITV competitor to Blue Peter

They actually did a spoof on dehydrated water tablets for April 1st one year. They had a picture of a flooded town showing where a lorry had shed its load in a crash and the tablets had rolled into the local stream

Simpo Two

85,475 posts

265 months

Friday 21st December 2012
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Didn't know that, I was a Blue Peter sort of chap. But it sounds fun!

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

204 months

Sunday 20th January 2013
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Its a company called Air Liquide

Not liquid air

I've never heard of anyone using Liquid air

http://www.uk.airliquide.com

Simpo Two

85,475 posts

265 months

Sunday 20th January 2013
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thinfourth2 said:
Its a company called Air Liquide

Not liquid air

I've never heard of anyone using Liquid air

http://www.uk.airliquide.com
Crap website but it seems they don't actually do liquid air... looks like you have to buy the parts and assemble it yourself: www.uk.airliquide.com/en/products-and-services/bul...

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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You can make liquid nitrogen/oxgyen etc. on site if your requirements make delivery unviable, but it requires a honking great big fractional distillation column. The likes of Air Products will design and build one for you.