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I am following jonny5's topic with interest and didn't want to hijack it to ask the following:
Having spent a couple of months with a GT3 now (and only just beginning to scratch the surface of its immense abilities), I wondered how much more mentalist a 996 GT2 would be. I mean, do you get the same liveliness as a GT3, but with added bOOOOOst as you give it some beans on a bend, making it more of an unruly hooligan than a precision tool?
Motoring journalists seem to have been a tad unkind to the GT2 given its on-paper performance. Plus I guess if your name isn't Walter Rhorl, you too would probably struggle to contain that much power.
No plans to move on from the GT3!
Just curious, that's all.
Having spent a couple of months with a GT3 now (and only just beginning to scratch the surface of its immense abilities), I wondered how much more mentalist a 996 GT2 would be. I mean, do you get the same liveliness as a GT3, but with added bOOOOOst as you give it some beans on a bend, making it more of an unruly hooligan than a precision tool?
Motoring journalists seem to have been a tad unkind to the GT2 given its on-paper performance. Plus I guess if your name isn't Walter Rhorl, you too would probably struggle to contain that much power.
No plans to move on from the GT3!
Just curious, that's all.Now you,ve done it !!!
I did seriously consider a GT2 before deciding on my GT3, especially as they have come down to more reasonable money now.
IMHO, the GT3 is a purer drive, and has more feel through the chassis. I prefer the progressive power delivery of the GT3 which is ultimately controlable going around the bends, something that would be a fair bit trickier on the GT2 i think.
But you may be in for some very different points of view when the GT2 boys see this one !!!!
G.
I did seriously consider a GT2 before deciding on my GT3, especially as they have come down to more reasonable money now.
IMHO, the GT3 is a purer drive, and has more feel through the chassis. I prefer the progressive power delivery of the GT3 which is ultimately controlable going around the bends, something that would be a fair bit trickier on the GT2 i think.
But you may be in for some very different points of view when the GT2 boys see this one !!!!
G.
GT2 impure drive, impure thoughts, pure heaven
GT3 pure drive, purity sucks
GT2 it's not for girls
GT3 er
GT2 some turbo lag
GT3 infinite turbo lag, no turbos, no boost, EVER
GT2 arm and a leg
GT3 an arm, a leg, and kidney donation
GT2 genital inadequacy compensator
GT3 genital absence compensator
GT3
GT2
GT3 pure drive, purity sucks
GT2 it's not for girls
GT3 er
GT2 some turbo lag
GT3 infinite turbo lag, no turbos, no boost, EVER
GT2 arm and a leg
GT3 an arm, a leg, and kidney donation
GT2 genital inadequacy compensator
GT3 genital absence compensator
GT3
GT2
GT3 is pedestrian.
GT2 is slow.
GT2 with Ruf 550bhp/580lb ft is just about bearable.
I need more power.........
I haven't driven a GT3 enough to make a valid comparison, but all my GT3 owning friends who have driven GT2s say that the GT2 is simply a GT3 with more power....
Remember that an '04 GT2 weighs only 40kg more than an '04 GT3 ie 3% more, so the weight difference is BS...
However extra power and huge turbo torque is not.
A GT3 has 285lb ft of torque, my car has 580lb ft of torque (standard is 457lb ft), guess which car feels like a BEAST when the BOOST kicks in........
KKK all the way...... and I mean the turbos, not tall white hats and burning crosses.....
Guy
>> Edited by GuyR on Wednesday 8th September 11:32
>> Edited by GuyR on Wednesday 8th September 11:33
GuyR said:I imagine most of us could live with that
GT3 is pedestrian. GT2 is slow. GT2 with Ruf 550bhp/580lb ft is just about bearable.
GuyR said:Too much is never enough
I need more power
GuyR said:Indeed. As my profile will reveal I don't run a GT2, but have had intimate contact with the 993 version and a Gemballa twin turbo conversion based on the 3.8RS. My own cause was furthered by trying to combine the best of pure and impure Porsche worlds, so moves to lose 200kg and upping torque to a modest 420 lbft had to happen, together with the visual GT2 cues. A 996 or later GT2 will also have to happen at some point, hopefully already sorted
Remember that an '04 GT2 weighs only 40kg more than an '04 GT3 ie 3% more, so the weight difference is BS...However extra power and huge turbo torque is not.
GuyR said:Yes I always wondered why it's such fun to adjust attitude on the throttle very precisely, while you're straining to see which way the GT2 went
A GT3 has 285lb ft of torque, my car has 580lb ft of torque (standard is 457lb ft), guess which car feels like a BEAST when the BOOST kicks in
GuyR said:Amen to that
KKK all the way
turbobloke said:
Yes I always wondered why it's such fun to adjust attitude on the throttle very precisely, while you're straining to see which way the GT2 went
Sadly in my case, if I were in front in the GT2, I would probably be in the ditch which is why the car behind wouldn't see me...Oh and as Adam says the quest for power just ends with more expenses, engine failures and costly rebuilds. I've been there with my 700bhp and 1000bhp Skylines and got fed up, hence why my money went to Mr Ruf, who builds well-engineered and warrantied cars based on quality Stuttgart products.
Guy
Harris_I said:I think you're too kind to me here, not sophisticated enough for that kind of thing - just yanking your chain in the usual friendly PH way.
Harris_I said:When you have a great car keeping it makes more sense.
I have decided to keep the GT3 for ever. There may be no substitute for cubes, but I will be investing in some track tuition to claw back those seconds...
DMS and others do a basic chip + exhaust + filter conversion which is good in terms of power uplift, but relies on hiding it from the Porsche Dealer to utilise the original porsche warranty.
Ruf is a more complete, but more expensive package, which includes different turbos, different intake manifold piping, filter, exhaust, ecu and an uprated clutch. The package is warrantied for 2 years, which covers the engine and drivetrain. The costs vary according to which car you start with, but I paid 19,900 euros + VAT for the engine, which was about £15k all-in. This is for 550bhp minimum guaranteed on a GT2 or X50. If you start with a normal Turbo, you only get 520bhp for same money and the 550bhp package is about an extra £4k, as it lacks some of the parts a GT2/X50 has.
Ruf's customer service has been unbelievable since completion e.g. flying a mechanic to England at no charge to resolve a small problem.
Guy
AL001 said:
Thanks for the info Guy. I sold my Mk1 GT3 recently and considering a 996TT (or Noble) soon'ish so looking about at what tuning options are around and cost.
AL001,
If you did go down the route of tuning a 996 Turbo, please keep us informed. On the face of it, as this model continues to depreciate towards the 50 grand mark, it is starting to look like the biggest bargain out there, and that's before you look at its undoubted tuning potential.
The DMS package for exhaust, filter and ECU is about 5 grand. The Ruf conversion is 15 grand as Guy says, but it is more likely that the engine will live a long and healthy life. But, if you bought a 996 Turbo for 60 grand, would you want to chuck 15 grand at it for tuning? (That's 25% of the car's value obviously). And when they cost 50 grand in a couple of years, it makes even less financial sense to spend that 15 grand with Ruf.
But.....if I was buying a new 996 Turbo or any 996 GT2, the Ruf conversion makes more sense. The cachet of Ruf cars is right off the scale. Guy's black GT2 looks ridiculously cool with its badge on the back..."RGT2". And that's without mentioning the lovely carbon spoilers.
So Guy, if you ever want to sell........
Guy's is the one on the left.
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