Vixen S2 Inner Tub Mould

[Electron]

Sorry for the obscure question but does a mould exist for a S2 Vixen Inner Tub (rear boot floor - floor pans - front bulkhead) ?

Chris

[heightswitch]

Yes.
A few have them.
You could always also make your own quite easily by turning your shell upside down and making a flash mould.

I have 2 series 1 bulkheads, and 2 series 1 floorpans, Not sure how similar the s1 to s2 floor is and whether it is just a case of adding the few extra inches somewhere??

N.

Edited by heightswitch on Monday 31st December 16:02

[Electron]

Neil,

The Series 2 Vixen chassis looks to be a very good upgrade path for other 50's fibreglass bodies. The Ford Pop was 50" and so the slightly longer S2 looks to be exactly the right length/width.

I don't have a car to rebuild but can get a chassis. Having moulds for the floor, bulkhead or boot would make life one stage easier.

I have the Fairthope bulkhead and floor moulds but using the Vixen would obviously make life easier.

I guess I should have really gone to the modified forum but most of that stuff appears to be the wrong era :-)

Chris

[Astacus]

What a brilliant idea! WHich 50s special were you thinking of?

An Ashley would be great with a Vixen Chassis if you could make it fit

[status]

thegamekeeper said:

Lots of 50,s "Specials" were made for 7'6" wheelbase chassis so LWB Vixen or even "M" series floorpan and underpinnings would be suitable. With the upsurge in interest and values for 1950,s specials it is not as silly as it at first seems. There is a Microplas Mistral (some TVR DNA) for sale on ebay at the moment for what will not be a lot of money. Ebay item no 221171547634

Go on, you know you want to.

Electron, step away from the keyboard

[Electron]

Damn I've been found out .... I own a set of moulds for the Microplas Mistral .... !!

I have four corners of a defunct Formula Ford no name - including disc braked alloy rear uprights, brake calipers etc

Rack and column are Triumph and I have accumulated enough Ford Pre crossflow bits - we use a 1300 Crossflow bottom end with Ford 1100 rods and Lotus Twin Cam pistons to build 1300 pre crossflow high reving engines ....



I should get out of the rain and stop measuring things ....

Edited by Electron on Monday 31st December 19:29

[Astacus]

thegamekeeper said:

Lots of 50,s "Specials" were made for 7'6" wheelbase chassis so LWB Vixen or even "M" series floorpan and underpinnings would be suitable. With the upsurge in interest and values for 1950,s specials it is not as silly as it at first seems. There is a Microplas Mistral (some TVR DNA) for sale on ebay at the moment for what will not be a lot of money. Ebay item no 221171547634

Go on, you know you want to.

Edited by thegamekeeper on Monday 31st December 19:01

Hmmm...............might need a bit of work!

[Electron]

I think I will stay away from Ebay for a while as I have enough "stuff" in stock.

I also worked out getting a new body moulded is far easier than spending hours and hours grinding out crazing ... and with the weather this year the opportunity to "glue 'n stick" outdoors has been rather limited.

I also guess you can see why I was asking about a suitable inner fibreglass tub to support the Microplas body.

I have also looked at Devins Elvas Tornados Bucklers Gilberns and a few others but keep getting drawn back to the Vixen S2..... it seems right.

[Electron]

Done some more research .... need some more help please .... is the extra length in a Vixen S2 floor just flat or is it "complex" ?

Second version of the question - can I take an S1 Bulkhead floor and rear boot moulding, slice it and add in the difference easily ??

S1 moulds seem to be easier to find than S2 !!

[tomtrout]

Not sure which bit of the "extra floor" of the S2 you are interested in but does this help?

[Electron]

Brilliant yes this helps enormously - not just the floor but also wat the boot looks like - thanks !!

[heightswitch]

Electron said:

Brilliant yes this helps enormously - not just the floor but also wat the boot looks like - thanks !!

Chris I have a poor quality S1 inner tub which is thin in places and needs some additional glassing. I am always up for a swap for something interesting and perhaps "diff"erent from the norm. I am sure I can post you a chassis pic side by side and you can make up your own mind as to how different an S1 and S2 floorpan is??

Your other option is to use a cut down M floorpan which is what some of the Fia Cars are running anyhow, (more arse room) You could take a flash mould off your car if you are lifting the body.

At one point I had the Saiga Floor mould but mr Roney know owns that particular piece of TVR ish history.

N.

[Electron]

Neil

Good job I'm still on holiday and the brain is active .... I got the subtle diff hint :-)!

I'm trying to avoid too much real work and source big lumps of car for this one !!

Having a complete bulkhead and floor assembly already done in a complete chassis means less time fabricating. (The Gilbern has really put me off wholesale glueing and sticking.)

My brain is more around "nearly a kit car" - right wheelbase - inner tub looks very very close - Mistral body - 4 pot Ford engine and box (goes straight in) - Triumph front suspension & diff - only "stupid" bit is using Formula Ford rear uprights - but they are close to a 3000M upright in spec and have discs (and the right price point !!)

I also have to finish a couple of the others before even starting this one ... but will keep collecting bits .... no doubt my brother will be along shortly to take the p*ss

Anyone got a Ford 1100 Crossflow going cheap ?? (yes 1100 not 1300 ..)

[status]

Electron said:

Neil

Good job I'm still on holiday and the brain is active .... I got the subtle diff hint :-)!

I'm trying to avoid too much real work and source big lumps of car for this one !!

Having a complete bulkhead and floor assembly already done in a complete chassis means less time fabricating. (The Gilbern has really put me off wholesale glueing and sticking.)

My brain is more around "nearly a kit car" - right wheelbase - inner tub looks very very close - Mistral body - 4 pot Ford engine and box (goes straight in)

Naa, nice flathead Ford is what you need in there son...

Electron said:

- Triumph front suspension & diff - only "stupid" bit is using Formula Ford rear uprights - but they are close to a 3000M upright in spec and have discs (and the right price point !!)

I also have to finish a couple of the others before even starting this one ... but will keep collecting bits .... no doubt my brother will be along shortly to take the p*ss

You'd be disappointed if I didn't.... actually I suspect you have more than enough bits already hidden in the long grass

Electron said:

Anyone got a Ford 1100 Crossflow going cheap ?? (yes 1100 not 1300 ..)

<sigh>

[Electron]

This is the new vision ....

[chassyman]

hi electron, ring duncan on 07794 773717, he should be able to do you one and answer your questions properly
. in works time please. best regards keith

[Slow M]

Have you investigated how the coupling of your uprights with a TVR chassis will behave, in terms of roll center, camber gain.....?

Best,
B.

[Astacus]

Electron said:

This is the new vision ....

OOOH I like that. Whats the story?

[Electron]

On the rear suspension I'm afraid I copy others hence the attraction of the Vixen.

I'm using the 3000M as a reference. Let me pull one of the uprights out of the Research Department Stores (not to be confused with the long grass) and take a photo so you can see and please comment.

Reverting to Vixen uprights could be safer ..

Plan B would be a standard solid axle - trailing arms - panhard rod.

This is the Ashley version ...



The photo is of a Mistral bodied special at Santa Pod - history unknown.

This is a better known Mistral bodied Climax engined car ..



I guess if I was going down the V8 route it would be easier to get an accident damaged Chimera !!

Early TVR / Lotus / 50's special is the route ....

[Slow M]

Electron said:

On the rear suspension I'm afraid I copy others hence the attraction of the Vixen.

I'm using the 3000M as a reference. Let me pull one of the uprights out of the Research Department Stores (not to be confused with the long grass) and take a photo so you can see and please comment.

Reverting to Vixen uprights could be safer ..

Plan B would be a standard solid axle - trailing arms - panhard rod.

This is the Ashley version ...



The photo is of a Mistral bodied special at Santa Pod - history unknown.

This is a better known Mistral bodied Climax engined car ..



I guess if I was going down the V8 route it would be easier to get an accident damaged Chimera !!

Early TVR / Lotus / 50's special is the route ....

In the Ashley version, I like the four link plus Watts' link. (...or is it a Panhard bar?)

This one's well known too. http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2010/11/03/spin...
I think if you use the upright designed in concert with the suspension pick-up points, you'll spend countless fewer hours developing the suspension tune.

Also, as there are several options for aftermarket versions for the earlier cars, your engine options are not limited.

Best,
B.