will not go in to 1st gear properly and then pops out????

[fubar sounds]

went for a bit of a burn about with a full car last night , nothing unusual, possibly fuel delivery and the power band were not quite as smooth as i m used to , but after the bad weather and the recently sorted water ingress issues i thought maybe just it was just having a bad day, ( i do have an issue with the mil light flashing every now and then but i had it checked with a laptop and everything looked correct so put it down to the humidity from the recent water problems)

soooo today , went to drive off , tried to put it into 1st gear and it was partially locked out , as i pulled off it popped out , i then physically held it in place and it worked although i could feel it was not in the full depth .
the rest of the gears were fine , except it felt like 3rd was also not in properly , although no issues with it.

i had the clutch replaced in september , but i v clocked up a lot of miles possibly 7000 since , pls dont say i need a new clutch , regards

[C3BER]

Clutch
Gearbox

Or your unable to move the gear lever forward due to an obstruction.

Sorry but it does found like one of the top two.

[jamieduff1981]

Does it go into gear properly without the engine running? If so, it really does sound like a clutch issue.

[Cerbieherts]

Might be gearbox mount come loose/rubber spindles gone, or even the bolts securing the lever that have become loose. Worth a poke around underneath before assuming anything more sinister.....

[Tanguero]

If it is going into gear ok then popping out, then it is the teeth on the synchro for that gear that are worn.

The clutch is not likely to be the problem, that would prevent it from going into gear in the first place.

[ukkid35]

Tanguero said:

If it is going into gear ok then popping out, then it is the teeth on the synchro for that gear that are worn.

The clutch is not likely to be the problem, that would prevent it from going into gear in the first place.

But as it's happening in both 1st and 3rd could it be that a selector fork is bent or broken?

[bionicjim]

Unlikely to be clutch as they last about 18000-25000 miles
But it is poss
Sounds like the fork or box to me good luck

[jamieduff1981]

It probably wouldn't be the clutch plate itself, but a general declutching issue (e.g. slave cylinder seals or broken spring rattling around in the bellhousing). It could just as easily be synchromesh or gear selector though. Do the T5s tend to crunch into gear with weak synchros or not?

[ukkid35]

jamieduff1981 said:

Do the T5s tend to crunch into gear with weak synchros or not?

With an old clutch and original slave the my T5 was fine, if rather heavy. No crunching unless trying to change too quickly with a cold box. However with a new clutchpack and RP slave gear changes were transformed, far quicker changes and far lighter clutch - it transformed the car making it much more fun to drive.

[Tanguero]

jamieduff1981 said:

It probably wouldn't be the clutch plate itself, but a general declutching issue (e.g. slave cylinder seals or broken spring rattling around in the bellhousing). It could just as easily be synchromesh or gear selector though. Do the T5s tend to crunch into gear with weak synchros or not?

No - they don't tend to crunch - worn synchros make them pop out of gear. A clutch issue won't do that.

[Tanguero]

ukkid35 said:

Tanguero said:

If it is going into gear ok then popping out, then it is the teeth on the synchro for that gear that are worn.

The clutch is not likely to be the problem, that would prevent it from going into gear in the first place.

But as it's happening in both 1st and 3rd could it be that a selector fork is bent or broken?

It could be the fork - or more likely the stupid little plastic guide pads cliped to it. I replaced mine with bronze when I rebuilt the box. My guess would still be synchros though as a fork problem would make it har to get into gear rather than pop out once it was in.

I rebuilt mine because of exactly this problem and when I stripped it the synchro cone teeth were badly worn on the 1st & 3rd.

[jamieduff1981]

Tanguero said:

No - they don't tend to crunch - worn synchros make them pop out of gear. A clutch issue won't do that.

Thanks, I only thought of the clutch because the way I read the OP suggested that it didn't quite go into gear in the first place. If I misinterpreted that part then I agree with you completely

[fubar sounds]

On way to the mechanics to have the issue professionally looked at and the car selected all the gears perfectly ( well as perfectly as it has ever done ) so canceled the appointment , I can only assume that it was an obstruction caused by driving at pace with a fully loaded car has dislodged something that may have come loose , or some foreign object that was left in the area at the time if the clutch change , hopefully nothing serious .

[DAVEY DEE]

When my selector fork went it was if it was limp & couldn't select gear coz there was "nothing there". Just limp. Or am I confusing it with when I went to the doctors....

[fubar sounds]

some one suggested that the gearbox may be on the way out which put the fear of god into me???

[Gazzab]

Hope it doesnt return. Cars normally dont fix themselves so I'd start investigating options for replacement / rebuild of box.

[fubar sounds]

yep i thought it was very suspicious as well.