Superchip or Uni-chip a 3 or 3R?
Discussion
I've had turbo cars before and when the turbo was chipped it made a huge difference on performance and general running of the car.
Has anyone had their 3 or 3R twin turbos chipped? I know they do this for twin turbo Japanese cars and this has taken the standard performance into supercar territory!!
Or is this not the way to go with the NOBLE?
Has anyone had their 3 or 3R twin turbos chipped? I know they do this for twin turbo Japanese cars and this has taken the standard performance into supercar territory!!
Or is this not the way to go with the NOBLE?
I am still suprprised of the number of people who explain upgraded performance as either 1) chipping or 2) mapping.
These alterations are actually changing specific function of the motor compnents and or how the electronic engine management manages them. You should try to find out what those things are. Essentially, you are most likley talking about raising boost presure and making sure that the air/fuel/timing are tuned to supply optimal support for the increased air.
This will increase performance to noticeable levels, depending on which extent the modifications are made .. and the quality of the work.
There are several ways, people may consider them more cost efficient and cheaper etc, to alter your vehicle ... just like this "chipping" and "mapping".
It what the whole aftermarket performance market is about .. and actually it's how your stock car is able to run as is.
I am wondering if you guys are satisfied with not really knowing what is being modified ... and possibly paying a lot of money for work that could be of much less money value.
I would reccomend tuning that is specifically designed for how YOUR personal vehicle is running in the enviroment that you operate in. Fixed changes are less safe in certain conditions where maintanace practice and enviroment temp/altitude/humidity etc is different than other vehicles. Your vehicle should be tuned as specifically as possible for your circumstances.
HTH.
These alterations are actually changing specific function of the motor compnents and or how the electronic engine management manages them. You should try to find out what those things are. Essentially, you are most likley talking about raising boost presure and making sure that the air/fuel/timing are tuned to supply optimal support for the increased air.
This will increase performance to noticeable levels, depending on which extent the modifications are made .. and the quality of the work.
There are several ways, people may consider them more cost efficient and cheaper etc, to alter your vehicle ... just like this "chipping" and "mapping".
It what the whole aftermarket performance market is about .. and actually it's how your stock car is able to run as is.
I am wondering if you guys are satisfied with not really knowing what is being modified ... and possibly paying a lot of money for work that could be of much less money value.
I would reccomend tuning that is specifically designed for how YOUR personal vehicle is running in the enviroment that you operate in. Fixed changes are less safe in certain conditions where maintanace practice and enviroment temp/altitude/humidity etc is different than other vehicles. Your vehicle should be tuned as specifically as possible for your circumstances.
HTH.
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The 3 and 3R are mapped fairly near the limits of their components as they are - hence the changes necessary to get an M400 engine up to 425bhp. So there wouldn't be the gains you may have seen in the Japanese cars because they are already chipped close to their limits.
Let's not forget that these engines in the 3 and 3R are producing 75% MORE power and torque than their Ford cousins, with not much in the way of modification. Lee still has to comply with the Sale of Goods Act and sell cars which are of reasonable quality!
As Micknall has said in another thread, Noble have limited resources and so they've produced a nicely matched set of components which all work well together. Changing just one part - say mapping for more power - leaves the whole unbalanced and potentially damaging in terms of warranty costs and reputation. Hence the changes to the M400, a full set of complimentary upgrades which gel to another matched set of components.
Trust me that it's not as simple as remapping to get significantly more power.
YellowShed
Let's not forget that these engines in the 3 and 3R are producing 75% MORE power and torque than their Ford cousins, with not much in the way of modification. Lee still has to comply with the Sale of Goods Act and sell cars which are of reasonable quality!
As Micknall has said in another thread, Noble have limited resources and so they've produced a nicely matched set of components which all work well together. Changing just one part - say mapping for more power - leaves the whole unbalanced and potentially damaging in terms of warranty costs and reputation. Hence the changes to the M400, a full set of complimentary upgrades which gel to another matched set of components.
Trust me that it's not as simple as remapping to get significantly more power.
YellowShed
Trevor.. do Noble use a locked MBE ecu like they did for TVR? .. if they do then it'd be difficult to find someone outside of noble / roush who could remap it .. and seeing how much effort Trevor puts into his mapping I agree with him that gains would be hard to come by with the std spec cars ..
joospeed said:
Trevor.. do Noble use a locked MBE ecu like they did for TVR? .. if they do then it'd be difficult to find someone outside of noble / roush who could remap it .. and seeing how much effort Trevor puts into his mapping I agree with him that gains would be hard to come by with the std spec cars ..
Yup, it's locked.
ThatPhilBrettGuy said:
Trevor.. do Noble use a locked MBE ecu like they did for TVR? .. if they do then it'd be difficult to find someone outside of noble / roush who could remap it .. and seeing how much effort Trevor puts into his mapping I agree with him that gains would be hard to come by with the std spec cars ..
Yup, it's locked.
And I beleive if you try and tamper with it, it may well wipe it's self.....
ThatPhilBrettGuy said:
Trevor.. do Noble use a locked MBE ecu like they did for TVR? .. if they do then it'd be difficult to find someone outside of noble / roush who could remap it .. and seeing how much effort Trevor puts into his mapping I agree with him that gains would be hard to come by with the std spec cars ..
Yup, it's locked.
In that case I might have something up my sleeve for you guys in the near future who want to modify your cars .. as I say if you're car's standard then there's probably little benefit in a remapping option, but once you start to play with the engine (and there's plenty of tuning options out there) then being able to remap is obviously important .. I'll see what i can get going .. looking for another car to start playing with now the Cerbera is out of production and the Noble looks a likely candidate...
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