Opinions on barges
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Slow

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Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Whats your opinions on barges?

Looking at a barge as my second car due to them having cheap insurance for the power.

Will be 18. So not doing it for the image :P

johnnyBv8

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Wednesday 9th January 2013
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What an odd post!

Slow

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Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Whats so odd?

Looking into getting a barge but wondering what peoples opinions of them are for a young bloke?

johnnyBv8

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Wednesday 9th January 2013
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It's a totally vague question, so I really don't see what useful response you expect to get. If you need an answer, I'd say that a good barge is good, a bad barge is bad, a big barge is big and a small barge is small. Not sure what relevance your age has, but then I have no idea what kind of "barge" you're looking for.

Have a look at all the threads on cheap cars, such as the Bargain Barges thread.

Slow

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Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Well the age means 5l cars are no use sort of thing tongue out

Been looking in those threads but just wondering what it would be like being young. Having a car the size of a boat to park etc.

johnnyBv8

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Wednesday 9th January 2013
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It depends how good you are at parking.

HustleRussell

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190 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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This thread is where you want to be

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

At 18? Hope you've got an okay income. A proper barge will attract maximum pre- '06 tax and despite what people claim as their MPG 'on a run', a normal average is usually 30% worse!

Re: size, a barge is typically quite an old thing which means they're often easier to see out of than a modern hatchback. My old 5-series is very simular in size to my previous mk3 mondeo, yet it's much easier to judge when parking/driving down narrow streets etc.

Mr Roper

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224 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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johnnyBv8 said:
It depends how good you are at parking.
You park your own car?

johnnyBv8

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Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Mr Roper said:
johnnyBv8 said:
It depends how good you are at parking.
You park your own car?
'fraid so.

Slow

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Wednesday 9th January 2013
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mpg is no problem as long as its 20+ tbh.

My focus is so fked its doing 25 mpg on a run , 15 round town.

Was looking at like 1999 5/7 series


Running costs shouldnt be too much more unless i want everything perfect?

ajb85

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172 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Or were you wanting something bigger?



avangeline

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166 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Hmmmm ... I'm going to have to think about that one.


Camaro

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205 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Slow said:
My focus is so fked its doing 25 mpg on a run , 15 round town.
I would spend the money on getting your focus running right, 25/15, unless you're running a badly tuned 2.5 ST or RS you have a serious fueling issue.

I don't personally think having a knackered car is a reason to go spend more money on another car just for the sake of it. Doesn't make sense?

Slow

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Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Camaro said:
I would spend the money on getting your focus running right, 25/15, unless you're running a badly tuned 2.5 ST or RS you have a serious fueling issue.

I don't personally think having a knackered car is a reason to go spend more money on another car just for the sake of it. Doesn't make sense?
The car is going eitherway.

Going to my brother to learn to drive in. (march insurance is up and may hes 17 so might as well change in march)

And if it wasnt i would still get rid of it due to its so basic and poo frown

Dracoro

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275 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Mr Roper said:
johnnyBv8 said:
It depends how good you are at parking.
You park your own car?
The GS has a rear camera making parking a doddle and the Lexus LS can park themselves.

I suspect the OP cannot afford these though but he didn't specify a budget.

OP - as mentioned about, just peruse the bargain (I assume you have limited budget) barge thread. Remember, when barges go wrong (as any car can and will do), they are often more expensive to fix than cars like your Focus. Whilst fuel usage on a long run can be reasonable, town driving really fooks up economy on big/heavy cars.

Slow

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Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Dracoro said:
The GS has a rear camera making parking a doddle and the Lexus LS can park themselves.

I suspect the OP cannot afford these though but he didn't specify a budget.

OP - as mentioned about, just peruse the bargain (I assume you have limited budget) barge thread. Remember, when barges go wrong (as any car can and will do), they are often more expensive to fix than cars like your Focus. Whilst fuel usage on a long run can be reasonable, town driving really fooks up economy on big/heavy cars.
My drive to college each morning is about 30 minutes of A roads and 5 minutes in town.

Looking to spend up to 1k or so as it only has to last another year. Would a bmw 5/7 series (e38?) be able to fix most, if not all things at home with non oem parts?

HustleRussell

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190 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Slow said:
Would a bmw 5/7 series (e38?) be able to fix most, if not all things at home with non oem parts?
I bought an E34 BMW which is a simular era and uses simular tech to the E38. I previously had a Mondeo TDCI which is simular in tech to your Focus. I find the BMW much nicer to work on.
Non-OEM parts are very often a false economy though so chose wisely.

Jaguar steve

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240 months

Wednesday 9th January 2013
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As a long term Bargeist myself I have some observations.

Barges may well have a lot of power but they are heavier than a Very Heavy Thing which somewhat negates all the BHP available. Because they are so heavy accelerating and and braking all that mass with enthusiasm will use more fuel than you can possibily imagine. They do not handle anything like a hatchback either and I'd honestly suggest you leave the RWD oversteeer you might fancy a go at to somebody else. Most Barges don't have anywhere near the road feel you get with a hatchback, so it's very hard to tell what the arse end is up to and driving one very hard means you will almost certainly go into somebodys front garden backwards sooner or later.

You need to have a think about what you want it for too. Unlike a smallish hatchback Barges are not all things to all men and owning one is often a right PITA. They are often laughably difficult to park and manouvre in small spaces and more than once I've had to ask somebody to move to give me enough room to get out. They are a positive liability in narrow streets or county lanes and making progress through heavy trafic is much more difficult that it is in something small and nippy - and incidentaly If you fancy a little B road hoonage I know for a fact an 1.7 Astra diesel will piss all over my 240BHP XJ8 through the twisty bits.

If you want a comfy motorway cruiser with some toys to play with and are prepared to fork out £100 on fuel every 350 miles or so than that's fine - Barge away. But, honestly if you want something sensible and day to day useful then a Barge may not be what you are looking for.

To give some perspective Mrs JS and I have the choice everyday between a XJ8, a MG TF and a small diesel van. We're fortunate enough to be able to run all three without having concerns over which costs more per mile. Last year the XJ did just over 4000 miles between MOTs, the MG did around 8000 and the van did 9000. I'm way too old and fat to worry about what I'm driving or who sees me driving what and that should tell you something... correct and most practical tool for the job and all that, and on that basis the XJ comes last.



Edited by Jaguar steve on Wednesday 9th January 12:35

Slow

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Wednesday 9th January 2013
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A 535i is the same insurance as a 1.8 tdi focus.

The insurance cost reduction alone is enough to want one.

Hatchbacks get raped on insurance at 18 sadly.

300bhp/ton

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Wednesday 9th January 2013
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Slow said:
Well the age means 5l cars are no use sort of thing tongue out

Been looking in those threads but just wondering what it would be like being young. Having a car the size of a boat to park etc.
You do realise the UK isn't the only country in the world and not all countries drive around in tiny tinny little hatchbacks?