Trade of the Century
Trade of the Century
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Newc

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2,195 posts

212 months

Sunday 13th January 2013
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Was at a dinner last night where the discussion turned to 'what was the trade of the 20th century ?', which I thought was an interesting lazy Sunday morning thread.

We established rules of:
- you could buy and sell any time 1 Jan 1901 to 31 Dec 1999
- long trades only
- highest return in local currency after inflation (to prevent all those Weimar loaves of bread)

We had one guy calling it for Microsoft, but the consensus was real estate, in particular Manhattan, San Francisco and Japan. My vote was buy Tokyo July 1945 sell Jan 1990.


anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 13th January 2013
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Probably not a keys in a bowl dinner party then wink

Berkshire Hathaway A shares from when they were issued to their peak?

qureshia

4,770 posts

236 months

Sunday 13th January 2013
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Van goth painting

In the late18th century sold for 500 Belgium francs (based on equivalent silver price should be worth about $2,500 today)

Now worth .....somewhere between $150 and $200 million eek


sunbeam alpine

7,249 posts

218 months

Sunday 13th January 2013
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Didn't one of the founders of Google sell out very early on for peanuts (thought it was about $15000)?

Whoever bought those shares should have been a happy bunny?

P.S. Could have been Apple - I wasn't really listening (probably browsing PH at the same time).

raptor600

1,356 posts

176 months

Sunday 13th January 2013
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sunbeam alpine said:
Didn't one of the founders of Google sell out very early on for peanuts (thought it was about $15000)?

Whoever bought those shares should have been a happy bunny?

P.S. Could have been Apple - I wasn't really listening (probably browsing PH at the same time).
It was Apple.

greygoose

9,669 posts

225 months

Sunday 13th January 2013
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qureshia said:
Van goth painting
I know Vincent was depressed but did he wear black all the time?

traxx

3,143 posts

252 months

Sunday 13th January 2013
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That graffiti artist who took Facebook shares instead of 1,000 dollars for painting their walls

iirc 1,000 to 200 million in a few years

qureshia

4,770 posts

236 months

Sunday 13th January 2013
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greygoose said:
I know Vincent was depressed but did he wear black all the time?
laugh

ellroy

7,846 posts

255 months

Sunday 13th January 2013
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Andy Caroll to Liverpool. Naff all to £35m in 18 months.

Also, it shows that you should also know when to take profit, as he's worth naff all again about 12 months later.

Gareth79

9,103 posts

276 months

Sunday 13th January 2013
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raptor600 said:
It was Apple.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Wayne

"Had he kept his 10% stock it would have been worth over 58 billion dollars in August 2012"



z4chris99

12,527 posts

209 months

Sunday 13th January 2013
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any of the big software or .com are the best bet... google, yahoo, Microsoft, Facebook. apple etc etc etc

pittance to billions

raptor600

1,356 posts

176 months

Sunday 13th January 2013
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Gareth79 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Wayne

"Had he kept his 10% stock it would have been worth over 58 billion dollars in August 2012"
Easy to say with hindsight though wink

He doesn't regret selling when he did though and believed he good a good price at the time (which may very well be true).

jeff m2

2,060 posts

181 months

Monday 14th January 2013
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Standard Oil

Although it no longer exists the Rockefeller family still doing ok.

Newc

Original Poster:

2,195 posts

212 months

Monday 14th January 2013
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Not that my fellow diners are competitive or anything, but Microsoft man has been hard at his BBg this morning and claims adjusted IPO was $0.07, equal to 11c in 1999 dollars, and peak was $44.30 in Dec 99 so a CAGR of about 53.5%.

That's higher than I thought, and I may be forced to break out my back copies of 'Tokyo Property Roundup' to see how that looks.




mat13

1,977 posts

211 months

Monday 14th January 2013
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Personally i would go with London property, buy it at a pittance at the end of the war and build up from there.

Justin Cyder

12,624 posts

179 months

Tuesday 15th January 2013
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One that sticks in my mind as I worked for the business is the Body Shop. Anita Roddick got turned down by the banks for a loan to open more shops around 1978, so approached a friend - Ian McGlynn who owned a local MoT garage for £4000 in return for 50% of the company.

That turned into £140m. Not bad for a punt.

raptor600

1,356 posts

176 months

Tuesday 15th January 2013
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mat13 said:
Personally i would go with London property, buy it at a pittance at the end of the war and build up from there.
Shares have absolutely destroyed property over that period I am afraid.

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Tuesday 15th January 2013
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greygoose said:
qureshia said:
Van goth painting
I know Vincent was depressed but did he wear black all the time?
rofl

sunbeam alpine

7,249 posts

218 months

Tuesday 15th January 2013
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Newc said:
Not that my fellow diners are competitive or anything, but Microsoft man has been hard at his BBg this morning and claims adjusted IPO was $0.07, equal to 11c in 1999 dollars, and peak was $44.30 in Dec 99 so a CAGR of about 53.5%.
Congratulations - you've managed to produce a sentence in which I recognise every word (although none of the abbreviations) -but am completely unable to understand!

smile

Newc

Original Poster:

2,195 posts

212 months

Tuesday 15th January 2013
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Sorry, that was a tad jargony wasn't it. To translate:

'One of my dining companions, while professing a general air of 'yeah yeah whatever', as soon as he had finished his morning meetings on Monday went straight to his Bloomberg screen and looked up Microsoft's share price history.

He says that the initial share price in 1986 was equivalent to 7c (because there have been lots of share splits so one share then is equivalent to hundreds of shares today). 7c in 1986 after inflation was worth about 11c in 1999, when the share price was $44.30. So holding a Microsoft share from 1986 to 1999 represented an initial investment of 11c for a return of $44, or about 53% per annum'.


We had also restricted it to publicly available investments, so there was no 'being Steve Jobs' silent partner, or financing the Body Shop startup' option.

Standard Oil is an interesting suggestion though.


I can't find any sensible research on wartime Tokyo land, other than in 1945 you were essentially buying ruined bomb sites from a quasi-feudal society pushed back to equivalent levels to mid 19th century Europe.

In 1989 peak prices were 30m yen per sq metre. Even so I suspect that is less than 20% p.a.