German manufacturers engines the least reliable - survey

[jl34]

Saw this article on the web. Apparently 1 in 27 Audi engines have problems !!! , Jap manufactureres and Jaguar cited as most reliable. Any comments from owners on the warranty direct survey ? the survey was conducted on 50,000 cars.

http://www.fleetdirectory.co.uk/fleet-news/index.p...

[EDLT]

But what about the quality plastics?

[Sir Fergie]

EDLT said:

But what about the quality plastics?

Absolutely - critical to world surival and keeping business on the road and boosting the world economy to fabulous levels of sustainability .

On a serious note though - i think thats the issue that many of us enthusiasts have with Audi in general - they are all about big alloys and fancy this, that and the other.

Without wanting to start Audi bashing - i think Audis best achievement in the past 10 years is to demonstrate the power of marketing.

Sir Fergie

[Krikkit]

Impressive, I wish we could see more of these statistics really (well, some that aren't junk anyway, if we can hear some provenance and clear figures then I'm all for it!)

[rehab71]

Sir Fergie said:

EDLT said:

But what about the quality plastics?

Absolutely - critical to world surival and keeping business on the road and boosting the world economy to fabulous levels of sustainability .

On a serious note though - i think thats the issue that many of us enthusiasts have with Audi in general - they are all about big alloys and fancy this, that and the other.

Without wanting to start Audi bashing - i think Audis best achievement in the past 10 years is to demonstrate the power of marketing.

Sir Fergie

I agree, their marketing activity has been outstanding in the last decade. They're good cars no doubt, but no better then any other VAG product IMHO

[Herman Toothrot]

It is sad, for example ask how to get the best launch out of your Porsche on the Porsche forum and there will be a genuine comment warning you take a risk scoring bores etc. How it would be to be able to drive a sports car hard...

[kambites]

Interesting to see Mercedes sitting at the top of the list with Audi and BMW at the bottom.

I can't say I'm surprised though. My experiences of German diesels in particular has been very poor.

[jl34]

Yep i cant say im that suprised,i always thought the power of marketing had taken over. i know of plenty of Bmw engine issues, vanos, turbo's etc.

[kotafey]

The same website claims the 3 series is the most reliable fleet car?

http://www.fleetdirectory.co.uk/fleet-news/index.p...

Anyway, engine failure is just one factor. It would be interesting to see statistics for other failures (e.g. Electrical faults). I wonder if, for example, Fiat would feature as high as it does?

[Strawman]

Also the same website has BMW as the Most reliable car manufacturer, with Audi second, above all their Japanese rivals.

[anonymous-user]

I've been banging on about German reliability being a load of cock for ages. Are people finally seeing the truth?

[anonymous-user]

kambites said:

Interesting to see Mercedes sitting at the top of the list with Audi and BMW at the bottom.

I can't say I'm surprised though. My experiences of German diesels in particular has been very poor.

Engines have never really been an issue with Merc though, there was the crappy steel rusty era, then the dodgy electronics & complicated braking systems era, now they seem to have learned their lesson!

[General Price]

Strawman said:

Also the same website has BMW as the Most reliable car manufacturer, with Audi second, above all their Japanese rivals.

RenOHH said:

I've been banging on about German reliability being a load of cock for ages. Are people finally seeing the truth?

[BrewsterBear]

Porsche are rock solid, hewn from granite. VW Golf has unburstable GTi and diesel units. BMW make lovely straight sixes you could run without oil for a couple of thousand miles and they'd still be going.

Wait - it is still the 1980s, right?

[v8will]

BrewsterBear said:

Porsche are rock solid, hewn from granite. VW Golf has unburstable GTi and diesel units. BMW make lovely straight sixes you could run without oil for a couple of thousand miles and they'd still be going.

Wait - it is still the 1980s, right?

To be fair, that probably would have been true well into the late 1990's as well.

[Nigel Worc's]

It is my experience that it is the electrical/electronic systems bolted to these cars that cause most of the issues (petrol variants, my only experience of diesels is I dislike them).

As these aren't company specific, normally, as such, I'd expect the company selling the most cars to have the most faliures.

My straight six petrol BMW is on 166,000 miles, and I feel it will run for at least twice that, but I'm constantly fighting Bosch, Hella, and Siemens faults ..... and I mean constantly !

The Dacia Duster UN spec model is starting to look very attractive to me .