Locking Nut Misery
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MK4 Slowride

10,028 posts

238 months

Saturday 19th January 2013
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Nasty, should be able to drill it out and replace though.

MX7

7,902 posts

204 months

Saturday 19th January 2013
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Could you snap off half of it, and then get a set of grips on the remaining bit?

Personally, I'd bin the locking ones.

Stoatman

592 posts

197 months

Saturday 19th January 2013
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10 second job at a friendly garage I reckon. Impact wrench and a tight fitting socket and it'll be off. Lucky it's quite a protruded one, some are horribly recessed into the nut hole. Can be tricky DIY though

Stoatman

592 posts

197 months

Saturday 19th January 2013
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After 2 snapping on my Honda I now run without them. If I had 2 grand alloys maybe I'll fit them again . Otherwise they are just trouble.

DWS

657 posts

248 months

Saturday 19th January 2013
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If you have a tame welder get him to weld a nut on to it. then in Haynes seak "Gently remove the two pieces together".

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

242 months

Saturday 19th January 2013
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Unless you have very expensive wheels locking nuts are just a pain. Buy 4 new normal nuts and get rid of the locking ones, you don't want this to happen if you get a flat down some dark country lane.

A tyre fitter will be able to sort you out either by drilling or whacking an old socket over it. Mine charged me 20 quid to do four when my key socket fell to bits.

MX7

7,902 posts

204 months

Saturday 19th January 2013
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Another thought.

A Jubilee clip to hold it together?

J4CKO

46,975 posts

230 months

Saturday 19th January 2013
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Young girl at work had a flat the other day, obviously she did the only thing your average Iphone addled Ugg boot wearing airhead could do and rang a colleague to help, at 1am, the soft get went to help and no locking nut, he pumped the tyre up to see if it would hold air, it did and that that point she volunteered it had felt a bit funny all week !


405dogvan

5,329 posts

295 months

Saturday 19th January 2013
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Locking nuts are more trouble than they're worth IMO - that MIGHT come off easily but DON'T ask KwikFit to do it - get someone with some talent and a proper toolset.

If you must use locking nuts (and as I said, they're mostly a waste of time) then you need to replace them frequently. We're talking at most 2 years and 4-5 'uses' - because after that they start to degrade/round-off (esp if you let the air-wrench brigade at them).

Realistically what are they buying you tho? The market for most alloys isn't worth the time it takes to remove them - unless you're running very special wheels, in which case a thief will probably take the whole car anyway!

GL!!

p.s. is it just the pic or is that nut WAY cock-eyed on the hole!?

Edited by 405dogvan on Saturday 19th January 14:37

J4CKO

46,975 posts

230 months

Saturday 19th January 2013
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Rob, I had an issue where a fast fit place wound them on with an air gun, got my local mechanic to chisel them off as he has it down to a fine art, he fitted some spare nuts he had to all four and I never bothered again, like a lot of anti theft measures, the scum get round them easily and they inconvenience, annoy or thwart the actual owner, like anti virus software seems to slow my pc down more than the virus.

Like you say, the chances of someone nicking your wheels is limited on stuff without really expensive wheels, the most at risk are older, high spec mainstream models where the wheels will fit on a cheaper one, especially stuff that younger people drive, Puntos and that kind of stuff as they have a market but there is also always the wildcard of someone wanting new tyres, even on mundane stuff it can be £600 to replace four tyres, never mind high performance ones, dont thinkit is as prevalent as it used to be.

Reminds me of an aquaintance of mine from about 1990, he had a bog spec Escort mk3 in beige, with RS Alloys, he was very proud, cardinal sin was trying to convince is us it was an RS model, Billy Bullst, we knew where he got the alloys and it was most definitely not a legitimate source, he paid £200, they were on for a month or two and he came out one morning to find his car on the floor, minus wheels, so he bought another set and I swear they were the same actual wheels.

saaby93

32,038 posts

208 months

Saturday 19th January 2013
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Stoatman said:
10 second job at a friendly garage I reckon. Impact wrench and a tight fitting socket
yep tight fitting socket banged over it? - undo

digger the goat

2,864 posts

175 months

Saturday 19th January 2013
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I HAD those exact locking nuts on My Skyline.....A real pain..the removal tool and nut were both very slightly rounded and so never engaged properly..
I binned them and bought new...
When having wheels removed I also insist that either the locking nut is done up by hand OR that I do it..

steveo3002

11,232 posts

204 months

Saturday 19th January 2013
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thats nice and exposed , first try battering a socket on it

if that fails then ebay and the like will sell you a set of sockets to remove them

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SX200-SEALEY-1-2-2PC-LOC...

Balmoral

42,561 posts

278 months

Saturday 19th January 2013
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There are certain products or ideas that should never have got to market, locking wheel nuts, key code stereos, etc. None of them have ever done anything to even remotely discourage their entire raison d'etre, they just cause untold grief for legitimate owners.

Panda76

2,583 posts

180 months

Friday 8th February 2013
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I agree with the other posters on here that say locking nuts are more trouble than they are worth.
At least 3 times now with 3 different cars I have had to have a locking stud welded to a socket to get it off due to the locking but either breaking or worn.
I don't bother anymore.

Locking nuts didn't stop the bloke down the road having his Spanking new TT being sat on bricks one morning.

GC8

19,910 posts

220 months

Friday 8th February 2013
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akaRob said:
Who's going to steal a set of scabby 15s off an MX5 hehe
They look like Enkeis, so you might be surprised.

Funkateer

990 posts

205 months

Friday 8th February 2013
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Grease the threads and make sure they are tightened to the correct torque. I also replace the locking nuts (bolts) with standard ones if the car needs any jobs doing that require the wheels to be moved and then replaced, just in case Guy the gorilla tightens them back up again. When you get the car back, replace the locking nuts and loosen / retighten the other nuts.

Edited by Funkateer on Friday 8th February 17:46

Andyjc86

1,149 posts

179 months

Friday 8th February 2013
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Funkateer said:
Grease the threads and make sure they are tightened to the correct torque.
Don't grease the threads, all torque figures are for dry threads, unless stated.

In terms of the bearing, jack that wheel off the ground and give it a spin, you should be able to tell from there if the bearing is gone. It's also a good time to give the wheel a wobble from side and top and bottom smile

GC8

19,910 posts

220 months

Friday 8th February 2013
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If the man in the garage wasnt a monkey then he wouldnt have had to hammer anything.

A proper tool for removing a socket like this only needs tapping on and then screwing 'on' to remove the broken nut/bolt.

You could have hammered on an old socket yourself.

Andyjc86

1,149 posts

179 months

Friday 8th February 2013
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To be fair I wouldn't have even risked tapping a remover on. With the stud sticking out that far a stud extractor would get it out.