7.2GT3 ceramics or steels.
Discussion
Been looking at the 7.2GT3s on the German site where there are quite a few cars, but not one of the german cars has the pccbs.
Was just wondering what the PHs thoughts where on these?
For me as i would only use the car on the road i would look for one with the pccbs if possible, am i wrong in this thinking?
Was just wondering what the PHs thoughts where on these?
For me as i would only use the car on the road i would look for one with the pccbs if possible, am i wrong in this thinking?
are 7.2 GT3's cheaper in Germany?
when I skimmed the ads, they were more expensive, and of course LHD!
I have PCCBs, and they are wonderful. Full of feel, no squeak and no dust. And you can brake very late ..
From what I have read, tracking kills the discs - especially if you do not do cool down laps - but road use is fine.
when I skimmed the ads, they were more expensive, and of course LHD!
I have PCCBs, and they are wonderful. Full of feel, no squeak and no dust. And you can brake very late ..
From what I have read, tracking kills the discs - especially if you do not do cool down laps - but road use is fine.
mrdemon said:
I have PCCB and they are amazing,
People also say much better turn in with them due to rotational mass being a lot less.
+1People also say much better turn in with them due to rotational mass being a lot less.
For road use they are excellent once bedded in properly. I ordered PCCBs as they also improve ride comfort due to lower mass and the GT3 was an easier sell to my wife. For proper track use they are too expensive though
Dr S said:
+1
For road use they are excellent once bedded in properly. I ordered PCCBs as they also improve ride comfort due to lower mass and the GT3 was an easier sell to my wife. For proper track use they are too expensive though
Ha, also noticed that in Switzerland a lot of the GT3s/RSs are specced with them.For road use they are excellent once bedded in properly. I ordered PCCBs as they also improve ride comfort due to lower mass and the GT3 was an easier sell to my wife. For proper track use they are too expensive though
SFO said:
when I skimmed the ads, they were more expensive, and of course LHD!
Though this does mean that they generally have the LHD only no-cost option 90 litre fuel tank...Ceramics - the short version (since this has been done to death so many times now) is that they really aren't worth a premium and if you wear them out it is £14k+new pads+fitting to replace them unless you switch to steel. Anyone wanting more detail is better off using the search.
Been discussed countless times on PH.
Summary for those who can't be bothered to search:
Racers: "What a waste of money. Give the money to me and I'll teach you how to brake late on steels and destroy everyone on track."
Polishers: "Ooh look, I don't have to clean the brake dust off. That's defo worth 14 grand in my book."
Pub bores <nasal voice>: "Of course, it's all about the unsprung weight really. That Walter Raleigh or whatever says so. I can feel it every time I drive to Waitrose."
HTH.
Summary for those who can't be bothered to search:
Racers: "What a waste of money. Give the money to me and I'll teach you how to brake late on steels and destroy everyone on track."
Polishers: "Ooh look, I don't have to clean the brake dust off. That's defo worth 14 grand in my book."
Pub bores <nasal voice>: "Of course, it's all about the unsprung weight really. That Walter Raleigh or whatever says so. I can feel it every time I drive to Waitrose."
HTH.
Harris_I said:
Been discussed countless times on PH.
Summary for those who can't be bothered to search:
Racers: "What a waste of money. Give the money to me and I'll teach you how to brake late on steels and destroy everyone on track."
Polishers: "Ooh look, I don't have to clean the brake dust off. That's defo worth 14 grand in my book."
Pub bores <nasal voice>: "Of course, it's all about the unsprung weight really. That Walter Raleigh or whatever says so. I can feel it every time I drive to Waitrose."
HTH.
Summary for those who can't be bothered to search:
Racers: "What a waste of money. Give the money to me and I'll teach you how to brake late on steels and destroy everyone on track."
Polishers: "Ooh look, I don't have to clean the brake dust off. That's defo worth 14 grand in my book."
Pub bores <nasal voice>: "Of course, it's all about the unsprung weight really. That Walter Raleigh or whatever says so. I can feel it every time I drive to Waitrose."
HTH.
spot on.Harris_I said:
Been discussed countless times on PH.
Summary for those who can't be bothered to search:
Racers: "What a waste of money. Give the money to me and I'll teach you how to brake late on steels and destroy everyone on track."
Polishers: "Ooh look, I don't have to clean the brake dust off. That's defo worth 14 grand in my book."
Pub bores <nasal voice>: "Of course, it's all about the unsprung weight really. That Walter Raleigh or whatever says so. I can feel it every time I drive to Waitrose."
HTH.
Summary for those who can't be bothered to search:
Racers: "What a waste of money. Give the money to me and I'll teach you how to brake late on steels and destroy everyone on track."
Polishers: "Ooh look, I don't have to clean the brake dust off. That's defo worth 14 grand in my book."
Pub bores <nasal voice>: "Of course, it's all about the unsprung weight really. That Walter Raleigh or whatever says so. I can feel it every time I drive to Waitrose."
HTH.
you are much better than PH search functionHad steels on my 997.2 GT3RS, they were very good but kicked out loads of dust onto the red wheels. When new they were an expensive option, they were even an option on the 4.0! Second hand I would see them as a benefit purely to avoid dust. For on road braking performance the steels are more than adequate.
For myself another consideration was corrosion. My car sits in the garage for periods of 5-6 weeks, and even putting it in there dry the steel disks used to corrode, pads stuck to the disks etc.
I also like the sharper 'bite' they have and quiet operation, and nice not having black wheels all the time.
Are they worth the extra expense ?? For me personally yes with road use only.
I also like the sharper 'bite' they have and quiet operation, and nice not having black wheels all the time.
Are they worth the extra expense ?? For me personally yes with road use only.
FactoryPilot said:
When I spoke to Andreas Preuninger, he said that if he were buying a GT3 for himself it would have steels.
That's bizarre. He told me ceramics.When I was speccing my first GT3 in 2006 Geoff Turral put me in touch with A.P. and he said his perfect spec would include bucket seats, PCM, and ceramics. I took his advice, although with sports seats, and it transformed my appreciation of pccbs.
Subsequently met him at Goodwood and he re-iterated his enthusiasm for pccbs.
It's true that Gen 2 steels are lighter and incorporated improvements, and for predominantly 'track' use they might be a better choice, but once you've had ceramics it's hard concede the benefits - superb performance, huge life expectancy (in normal use), no corrosion, no brake dust, around 4kg per corner 'unsprung' weight saving.....
.. on a .2 car the 380 steels are better for the road, and more robust on the track, change them for Alcons or PF when they are knackered, PCCB's are just not worth the cost, most trackdayers end up taking them off anyhow so not to damage them in the gravel.
For road work, the steels are sharper, they work better from cold, especially in the wet, PCCB's are good for bar bragging rights and willie waving, that's it, they just are not any better than steels on RS29's.
Anyone who thinks PCCB's are sharp, has clearly never tried good steels on RS29's.
The only upside is the low brake dust, I had PCCB's on my .1GT3.
For road work, the steels are sharper, they work better from cold, especially in the wet, PCCB's are good for bar bragging rights and willie waving, that's it, they just are not any better than steels on RS29's.
Anyone who thinks PCCB's are sharp, has clearly never tried good steels on RS29's.
The only upside is the low brake dust, I had PCCB's on my .1GT3.
Edited by RatBoy M3CSL on Monday 21st January 20:42
RatBoy M3CSL said:
.. on a .2 car the 380 steels are better for the road, and more robust on the track, change them for Alcons or PF when they are knackered, PCCB's are just not worth the cost, most trackdayers end up taking them off anyhow so not to damage them in the gravel.
For road work, the steels are sharper, they work better from cold, especially in the wet, PCCB's are good for bar bragging rights and willie waving, that's it, they just are not any better than steels on RS29's.
Anyone who thinks PCCB's are sharp, has clearly never tried good steels on RS29's.
The only upside is the low brake dust, I had PCCB's on my .1GT3.
I'm on my 2nd GT3 with sharp PCCBs, both way sharper than any steel disked car I've had from my OPC on loan/test etc. There is no difference in the cold or wet in my experience, so I'd suggest the PCCBs on your car had an underlying issue and were simply not working properly.For road work, the steels are sharper, they work better from cold, especially in the wet, PCCB's are good for bar bragging rights and willie waving, that's it, they just are not any better than steels on RS29's.
Anyone who thinks PCCB's are sharp, has clearly never tried good steels on RS29's.
The only upside is the low brake dust, I had PCCB's on my .1GT3.
Edited by RatBoy M3CSL on Monday 21st January 20:42
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