996 C4 to a GTR (R32)
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Would I be mad to put the 996 in against an R32?
The 996 C4 is a nice example with the best interior imo (black) with performance exhaust, superb paintwork, and in fantastic condition. I know plenty don't like them, but I think its a superb car, maybe not in the looks department, but the performance/handling.
Id be looking for an R32 with around 400bhp in tip top condition...but, obviously 10 years older.
Anyone with experience of both care to give an opinion?
The 996 C4 is a nice example with the best interior imo (black) with performance exhaust, superb paintwork, and in fantastic condition. I know plenty don't like them, but I think its a superb car, maybe not in the looks department, but the performance/handling.
Id be looking for an R32 with around 400bhp in tip top condition...but, obviously 10 years older.
Anyone with experience of both care to give an opinion?
If you keep the Skyline in good condition it won't be. They're holding their money at the moment and some even increasing in value slightly. I can't say anything about how the 32's handle but after being in a 450bhp R33, the way they go and the way they grip and handle are out of this world good. I didn't think they could be as good as people often say they are but they're actually better.
I suspect R32's will become quite collectable in time, although I think you need to buy the right model. Something more limited in numbers will be the ones to keep.
As for power. Well head over to one of the Skyline forums. Lots of power available, but after the first few tweaks you are talking some serious upgrades to really handle the power in a durable way. And while they are hugely advanced for their time I suspect you may find one a little more lairy and hooligan like compared to a C4.
As for power. Well head over to one of the Skyline forums. Lots of power available, but after the first few tweaks you are talking some serious upgrades to really handle the power in a durable way. And while they are hugely advanced for their time I suspect you may find one a little more lairy and hooligan like compared to a C4.
1974nc said:
A good friend of mine has recently bought a 550bhp r32 and it feels like a roadgoing racecar, noisy, harsh and very fast. Great car but it seems to make no sense unless its being driven at 9/10 ths.
996 maybe has a little more duality.
Looking at the OP's current garage I'd guess his 911 is a 2nd car. As a weekend toy something noisy harsh and very fast does make more sense.996 maybe has a little more duality.
Definitely worth testing one. I looked at an R34 briefly before getting my Evo. The sheer size of the thing put me off. Epically fast - when fiddled with - but they really are a big car, and as the intended use of the car was a b road toy, it put me off.
I'm in the don't like the looks of the 996 camp, but I suspect that it is a better all-rounder than the Skyline. Of the two, I'd overlook the aesthetics of the 996 and keep that.
I'm in the don't like the looks of the 996 camp, but I suspect that it is a better all-rounder than the Skyline. Of the two, I'd overlook the aesthetics of the 996 and keep that.
^^ R32's aren't that big.
Also a lot of the R32's seem in very condition
Sinister car the R32. If it were a weekend play thing then the R32 would be hard to beat.
The Skylines are very tunable too, it could be a slippery slope in the quest for more power. A great base car to start from though the skyline.
Also a lot of the R32's seem in very condition
Sinister car the R32. If it were a weekend play thing then the R32 would be hard to beat.
The Skylines are very tunable too, it could be a slippery slope in the quest for more power. A great base car to start from though the skyline.
rhinochopig said:
Definitely worth testing one. I looked at an R34 briefly before getting my Evo. The sheer size of the thing put me off. Epically fast - when fiddled with - but they really are a big car, and as the intended use of the car was a b road toy, it put me off.
I'm in the don't like the looks of the 996 camp, but I suspect that it is a better all-rounder than the Skyline. Of the two, I'd overlook the aesthetics of the 996 and keep that.
Definitely try a few before you buy. I was utterly obsessed with R32 GTRs a couple of years ago. Drove from Bath to Kent to look at one that took my fancy. I was told it had 350bhp but it felt so big and heavy that the performance was a huge dissapointment. I'd driven the same roads just a few minutes earlier in my MR2 Turbo as I'd got lost I'm in the don't like the looks of the 996 camp, but I suspect that it is a better all-rounder than the Skyline. Of the two, I'd overlook the aesthetics of the 996 and keep that.
and the MR2 just felt so much more lively.Who knows maybe I drove a bad'un, but I think they need alot of power to come alive, at least 400bhp.
Had a 430hp R33 for two years, it was one of the nicest ones in the UK when i sold it, so I really do miss it. despite difference in looks a lot of the running gear/engine/driving experience is very similar to the R32 and the overall character is the same so here is my advice-firstly look on GTROC, the best ones will get snapped up on there before making it to PH(sorry PH).
Possibly too raw to be a daily driver in my opinion, If you have that covered and want a lot of performance go for it. Compared to modern Vag / Porsche etc the engines are simple to work on and tune, and although running costs/occasional bits going wrong could be frequent due to its age, there will be scope for fewer big bills than the Porsche.
For some strange reason some people recommend buying a stock car which is just madness - let someone else spend their money on modifying the car - buy highly modified second hand at the spec you want and can see yourself satisfied with now, and also where you see yourself in a years time-I'd recommend at least 400hp. if you don't, once the car is under your skin you'll just spend a lot to get it there anyway further down the line.
look for something firstly with thoughtful suspension components (such as Tein mono flex including the other associated arms/Hicas delete), because they are the best sign of a car which has been thoughtfully treated and upgraded. I know I'm generalising but all the chavs usually go for the blitz nur spec R exhaust because they are mentally loud - look even more closely at the car if it has one of these and just completely avoid if it as lowering springs - shows cost cutting. RB26 sard injectors are also cheap Injectors which although work fairly well, have a tendency to leak from their seals. Handling is better on 17 inch wheels on the road too, lots of cars have been thoughtlessly upgraded to 18s or 19s without thought to A and B road performance.
do not be intimidated by a big power skyline, they are a phenomenal drive, and will leave pretty much any evo behind at higher speed due to the extra displacement. (they also have a lot less lag). i'd recommend keeping your modification budget separate to a nest egged pot of 3.5k as a rebuild/forged engine fund to remove any surprises, and then you really can't go wrong.
Possibly too raw to be a daily driver in my opinion, If you have that covered and want a lot of performance go for it. Compared to modern Vag / Porsche etc the engines are simple to work on and tune, and although running costs/occasional bits going wrong could be frequent due to its age, there will be scope for fewer big bills than the Porsche.
For some strange reason some people recommend buying a stock car which is just madness - let someone else spend their money on modifying the car - buy highly modified second hand at the spec you want and can see yourself satisfied with now, and also where you see yourself in a years time-I'd recommend at least 400hp. if you don't, once the car is under your skin you'll just spend a lot to get it there anyway further down the line.
look for something firstly with thoughtful suspension components (such as Tein mono flex including the other associated arms/Hicas delete), because they are the best sign of a car which has been thoughtfully treated and upgraded. I know I'm generalising but all the chavs usually go for the blitz nur spec R exhaust because they are mentally loud - look even more closely at the car if it has one of these and just completely avoid if it as lowering springs - shows cost cutting. RB26 sard injectors are also cheap Injectors which although work fairly well, have a tendency to leak from their seals. Handling is better on 17 inch wheels on the road too, lots of cars have been thoughtlessly upgraded to 18s or 19s without thought to A and B road performance.
do not be intimidated by a big power skyline, they are a phenomenal drive, and will leave pretty much any evo behind at higher speed due to the extra displacement. (they also have a lot less lag). i'd recommend keeping your modification budget separate to a nest egged pot of 3.5k as a rebuild/forged engine fund to remove any surprises, and then you really can't go wrong.
Thanks for the replies guys, especially the last one Busa, though I'm still left with a little voice in the back of my head telling me I'll regret it.
Whilst I'm sure I'll love the driving experience and the look of the machine, I'm still hung up on putting in the Porsche for something another 10 years older. The fires not completely blown out yet though...
Whilst I'm sure I'll love the driving experience and the look of the machine, I'm still hung up on putting in the Porsche for something another 10 years older. The fires not completely blown out yet though...
Ok I'll chime in here...
Those disappointed with performance - maybe owners lying about real HP figures? I'll be quoting all HP figures at wheels; 100%, stock standard, they'd be about 220. Get a turbo back exhaust and remove the boost restrictor and you'll see about 250-260. Leave everything else and get it tuned and you'll be about 320-330 @ 13-14psi (recognised safe limit). Grab R34 N1 turbos and tune will see about 380-400 @19-20psi (you'll be wanting bigger injectors / fuel pump for more).
RB26 has a poor oil flow problem - google them to find out the common fixes but that said, you'd only really expose this on the limit at a track.
I love the interior in R32 GTRs but might just be me. I think you're mad to swap a 996 for one but then the price disparity where I live is far greater in favour of the 996. I'm also supporting buying one that's been modified previously as you'll be saving yourself heaps. Do your research and a compression test when you buy and you'll be a happy chappy!
Lastly the R32s tend to under-steer as they're nose heavy - this is fixed with a rear sway bar or a R33 / R34 GTR :P
My 2c
edit: Half the ads I see I know the HP figures are bull because of the (lack) of mods... Just be careful.
Those disappointed with performance - maybe owners lying about real HP figures? I'll be quoting all HP figures at wheels; 100%, stock standard, they'd be about 220. Get a turbo back exhaust and remove the boost restrictor and you'll see about 250-260. Leave everything else and get it tuned and you'll be about 320-330 @ 13-14psi (recognised safe limit). Grab R34 N1 turbos and tune will see about 380-400 @19-20psi (you'll be wanting bigger injectors / fuel pump for more).
RB26 has a poor oil flow problem - google them to find out the common fixes but that said, you'd only really expose this on the limit at a track.
I love the interior in R32 GTRs but might just be me. I think you're mad to swap a 996 for one but then the price disparity where I live is far greater in favour of the 996. I'm also supporting buying one that's been modified previously as you'll be saving yourself heaps. Do your research and a compression test when you buy and you'll be a happy chappy!
Lastly the R32s tend to under-steer as they're nose heavy - this is fixed with a rear sway bar or a R33 / R34 GTR :P
My 2c
edit: Half the ads I see I know the HP figures are bull because of the (lack) of mods... Just be careful.
Edited by Ten Four on Thursday 24th January 11:15
Early R32 GTR's will be eligable for import to the USA without having to meet certain laws that currently prevent them from going in, so in 2014 there may even be an increase in price for early R32 GTR's (1989 builds) and increasing with each year
Said it before on a previous thread, some importers in Japan have already sold cars to US buyers and are keeping hold of them until they're legal for import, while having work done on them over there,same importer have already started buying stock up themselves and storing away
Said it before on a previous thread, some importers in Japan have already sold cars to US buyers and are keeping hold of them until they're legal for import, while having work done on them over there,same importer have already started buying stock up themselves and storing away
Welsh roads aplenty? Get the R32, get a near stock / well looked after model and you wont regret it.
Too many 'second-guessed' examples about to give potential owners a good impression of the car.
Avoid cars with the following:
Coilovers
HICAS delete
Big 18-19 inch rims
Opened engines or aftermarket turbo kits
Better to spend £10k on a near stock R32 from Japan than £10k on a UK owned 550 hp 'monster'.
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