Proposal for a single Police force
Proposal for a single Police force
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blademan

Original Poster:

493 posts

261 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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I notice on todays BBC news website, that the government is considering scrapping the separate Police forces in favour of one National single force.
According to the report, most senior chiefs are in favour of this. What is the opinion of the BiB on here and other Pistion Headers?

Piccy Mate

541 posts

260 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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A few thoughts off the top of my head.....
A)It might get rid of the likes of Brunstrum and co
B)It should mean one controlling and accountable body
C)It should mean a level playing field throught the country on Policing policy
D)It could become even more of a Government tool
E)It will probably mean even more Chiefs than Indians
F)If the police chiefs like it, there must be an underlying motive we don't know about as yet.
G) I'm suspicious of anything that this Government proposes

David

>> Edited by Piccy Mate on Tuesday 14th September 12:32

lunarscope

2,901 posts

265 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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Will it be called the State Security Service ?
No 'independent' Chief Constables ?
No civilian Police Authorities ?
This sounds ominous !!!

swilly

9,699 posts

297 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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It wont make a difference other than streamlining certain admin tasks and procurement etc etc.

mondeoman

11,430 posts

289 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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BliarOut

72,863 posts

262 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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It would certainly make "big brother" easier and I too do not trust the government.

wanty1974

3,704 posts

271 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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Yes... Big Brother by the back door.

What about 'community policing' that nearly everyone wants? Surely regional forces are better at this than a central force?

xxplod

2,269 posts

267 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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The sooner the better IMO. You only have to look at the recommendations of the Bichard Inquiry into Huntleys murders to see the benefits. It has been creeping in for years, perhaps starting with the Police National Computer. We now have a National Crime Squad, a National Criminal Intelligence Service, a National Intelligence Model, bodies such as HMIC - who compare BCUs nationally, PITO - Police Information Technology Organisation who look at national IT issues. Even the uniform is national, save for badges/insignias etc...

Take for example Dorset and Wiltshire, or Norfolk and Suffolk. Forces geographically next to each other, with similar demographics and Policing issues. Are people really saying they are happy for their taxes to be funding TWO sets of Chief Officers, HQ staff, training, admin etc.... Dorset and Wiltshire combined are smaller than their neighbouring forces, e.g. Hampshire.

I work near a force boundary. We do not have ready access to intelligence relating to scrotes who are out thieving cars and burgling houses - (YOUR CARS and HOUSES) because it is a separate force's IT system. It is ridiculous, the criminals know and they are laughing at you and me.

I've worked for a national (non-Police) law enforcement agency and IMO, the benefits are clear. We should be the Police Service of England and Wales.
Well alright, Wales might be taking it a bit far. Can't incorporate the Jocks, their law is different.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

278 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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Emergency, which service do you require...?

POLICE, quick.....I'm being attacked......

Where are you...?

Scunthorpe....

I've got officers available in Torquay....they're on their way......

BliarOut

72,863 posts

262 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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xx, would you be of the same opinion if Dick Bumsucker was in charge?

john_p

7,073 posts

273 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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I think it's a good idea. Surprised it hasn't happened sooner. The fact they have different systems, different equipment, even different admin procedures seems a quaint throwback to a long time ago.

Those worried about big brother - it's here already!

silverback mike

11,292 posts

276 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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I think it is a great idea.
Separate police forces with different forms, working practices, and sometimes the inability to work together frankly is ridiculous.

Sooner the better in my opihion. I think it will lead to a far more efficient, cost effective organisation, but maintaining the separate regional areas, ie "South West division etc"

Jinx

11,910 posts

283 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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So how would this affect my council tax? I pay for the non-existent police force in my area at the moment - I don't fancy paying for moss-side's.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

278 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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Yes, suppose there's no reason why it wouldn't work.

We have expert knowledge of how to run a nationwide operation.

It's called






















The National Health Service.


That'll be all right, then.........

xxplod

2,269 posts

267 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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One benefit of a national Police service, is that Chief Constable BRUNSTROM would loose his clout. As the chief of a small force such as his, he definately would not be on the top tier of the the ladder.

There have been very recent grumplings amongst ACPO that Deputy Chief Constables in bigger forces are paid more than the Chief COnstables in smaller ones.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

278 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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xxplod said:
One benefit of a national Police service, is that Chief Constable BRUNSTROM would loose his clout. As the chief of a small force such as his, he definately would not be on the top tier of the the ladder.



I am very much in favour of a national police service.

Where do I vote.....?

xxplod said:
,....the chief of a small force.....


Sp Farce

silverback mike

11,292 posts

276 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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Jinx said:
So how would this affect my council tax? I pay for the non-existent police force in my area at the moment - I don't fancy paying for moss-side's.


In short, don't know, only the council will decide that.
From a policing point of view, one police force makes sense.

Streetcop

5,907 posts

261 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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One team singing from the same hymn sheet..sounds good to me..

Street

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

278 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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Streetcop said:
One team singing from the same hymn


Street



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te51cle

2,342 posts

271 months

Tuesday 14th September 2004
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I agree that its a good idea to have one force. I presume we only have small regional forces for historical reasons, largely down to the limited communications in the 19th and early-mid 20th century. Having 30-odd separate forces is a joke as all the organised criminals know.