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Worcestershire local paper: A young lad driving a Fiesta on the B4084 (formerly the A44)ran into the back of a car suddenly turning right at 50mph. Pushed the car into another oncoming vehicle driver killed. The lad said it was a 50mph speed limit and he was looking at his speedo to check he wasn't speeding and didn't see the turning car in time, as it turned unexpectedly.
People are too worried about being done for speeding that they are constantly checking speed and not looking for hazards. It's just asking for trouble.
What is this bloody government playing at?
"Speed limits kill".
People are too worried about being done for speeding that they are constantly checking speed and not looking for hazards. It's just asking for trouble.
What is this bloody government playing at?
"Speed limits kill".
Doesn't add up on many levels...
Car 'suddenly' turning right at 50mph? Are we assuming no indication?
Actually turning at 50mph? Than laddo shouldn't have caught it up to hit it then...
Slowing from 50mph to turn? Did driver behind not notice brake lights? (assuming came on of course)
What if turning car had been doing/needed to do an emergency stop? Car behind should have been far enough back that a quick glance at speedo still gives time to observe the car in front and stop if required, surely?
Just random thoughts...
Cheers, Phil
Car 'suddenly' turning right at 50mph? Are we assuming no indication?
Actually turning at 50mph? Than laddo shouldn't have caught it up to hit it then...
Slowing from 50mph to turn? Did driver behind not notice brake lights? (assuming came on of course)
What if turning car had been doing/needed to do an emergency stop? Car behind should have been far enough back that a quick glance at speedo still gives time to observe the car in front and stop if required, surely?
Just random thoughts...
Cheers, Phil
Also, 'saying more'... 
Assuming it was head-on, was the turning car intending to go before or after the oncoming car?
One would presume after (otherwise would have been clear of junction if hit from behind?) so would have had wheels straight? Must have been a hell of a whack from behind to knock him across the other side of the road?
Or was turning car stationary, waiting with wheels turned... (amazed how many people do this- I was always told not to). If stationary, must have been for a few seconds before car hit from behind IYSWIM (I am reasoning that you don't suddenly brake for a junction and stop with your wheels turned).
Just more idle speculation...
Assuming it was head-on, was the turning car intending to go before or after the oncoming car?
One would presume after (otherwise would have been clear of junction if hit from behind?) so would have had wheels straight? Must have been a hell of a whack from behind to knock him across the other side of the road?
Or was turning car stationary, waiting with wheels turned... (amazed how many people do this- I was always told not to). If stationary, must have been for a few seconds before car hit from behind IYSWIM (I am reasoning that you don't suddenly brake for a junction and stop with your wheels turned).
Just more idle speculation...
filmidget said:
Doesn't add up on many levels...
Car 'suddenly' turning right at 50mph? Are we assuming no indication?
Actually turning at 50mph? Than laddo shouldn't have caught it up to hit it then...
Slowing from 50mph to turn? Did driver behind not notice brake lights? (assuming came on of course)
What if turning car had been doing/needed to do an emergency stop? Car behind should have been far enough back that a quick glance at speedo still gives time to observe the car in front and stop if required, surely?
Just random thoughts...
Cheers, Phil
Yeah suppose so just passing on what I read.
It wasn't a junction he was trying to turn into his driveway. Apparently did it without warning. It's a busy road should have checked mirrors well in advance and signalled. Bad mistake paid with his life. Lad should have kept eyes on road not on speedo.
He was old I think.
>> Edited by volvod5_dude on Tuesday 14th September 19:44
So someone smashed straight into the back of another car on a clear open road, resulting in the death of a completely innocent third party, and HE HAS THE AUDACITY TO SAY IT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF HIM LOOKING AT A SPEEDO?!!!!!!!!!! Truly, truly UNBELIEVABLE.
Talk about not facing up to reality. He is in effect a murderer, and i hope he gets locked up for a VERY long time. How must the family of the poor soul he killed feel? My heart goes out to them....
How long does it take to check speed on an average speddometer? Maybe half a second at most?
Can't believe that in the time it takes to glance down to look at the speedo the driver closes a two second gap, (assuming he was at least two seconds behind the car in front) the car he hit suddenly indicates and brakes to a stop. Nah! was there a female/mobile phone/mates/CD that required changing in the Fiesta? I'd bet yes!
Themoss said:
So someone smashed straight into the back of another car on a clear open road, resulting in the death of a completely innocent third party, and HE HAS THE AUDACITY TO SAY IT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF HIM LOOKING AT A SPEEDO?!!!!!!!!!! Truly, truly UNBELIEVABLE.
Talk about not facing up to reality. He is in effect a murderer, and i hope he gets locked up for a VERY long time. How must the family of the poor soul he killed feel? My heart goes out to them....
How long does it take to check speed on an average speddometer? Maybe half a second at most?
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'ere it is. No mention of any prosecutions or murder.
www.thisisworcestershire.co.uk/worcestershire/pershore/news/PERSH_NEWS_LATEST0.html
www.thisisworcestershire.co.uk/worcestershire/pershore/news/PERSH_NEWS_LATEST0.html
What ever the rights and wrongs of this - the driver wasn't a murderer - no one can say he deliberately set out to kill anybody.
Now he may be homicidal for driving at 50mph in a residential area and he may well be guilty of driving without due care and attention, but a murderer no.
Whatever the outcome, this driver is going to live with this for the rest of his life.
David
Now he may be homicidal for driving at 50mph in a residential area and he may well be guilty of driving without due care and attention, but a murderer no.
Whatever the outcome, this driver is going to live with this for the rest of his life.
David
Themoss said:
So someone smashed straight into the back of another car on a clear open road, resulting in the death of a completely innocent third party, and HE HAS THE AUDACITY TO SAY IT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF HIM LOOKING AT A SPEEDO?!!!!!!!!!! Truly, truly UNBELIEVABLE.
Talk about not facing up to reality. He is in effect a murderer, and i hope he gets locked up for a VERY long time. How must the family of the poor soul he killed feel? My heart goes out to them....
How long does it take to check speed on an average speddometer? Maybe half a second at most?
The "looking at the speedo not out of the windscreen" argument is one of the silly arguements made by some anti-camera campaigners which I feel reduces the credibility of the anti-camera lobby.
I oppose cameras because they are dumbing down the huge issue of road safety into one of speed alone, which it is not.
It is equally silly to suggest that I will crash because I am always looking at my speedo. I have all sorts of information which I am constantly absorbing from my dashboard... speed, revs, engine temp, oil pressure etc etc, I also have to wrestle with 3 pedals, a gear stick and a big twirly thing right in my line of sight. I manage all this whilst not crashing because that is what you need to do to a decent level in order to be a driver. If you cannot manage all these things at the same time DO NOT DRIVE.
Jon H
I oppose cameras because they are dumbing down the huge issue of road safety into one of speed alone, which it is not.
It is equally silly to suggest that I will crash because I am always looking at my speedo. I have all sorts of information which I am constantly absorbing from my dashboard... speed, revs, engine temp, oil pressure etc etc, I also have to wrestle with 3 pedals, a gear stick and a big twirly thing right in my line of sight. I manage all this whilst not crashing because that is what you need to do to a decent level in order to be a driver. If you cannot manage all these things at the same time DO NOT DRIVE.
Jon H
It's not an impossible outcome, new drivers are taught to look in their mirror every few seconds (not at whats in the mirror I hasten to add!) no doubt they are now taught speed compliance too, which involves looking at your speedo funnily enough, probably every few seconds too.
Yes we experienced drivers can judge our speed, glance at our speedos in an instant, but for many drivers taking their eyes off the road is a big problem, especiaially newbies.
Check mirror, check speedo, bang, of course it's a possibilty.
My mate suffered a very similar incident, rear ended by a transit at 50mph on the A3 southound at Hindhead, single lane bit if you know it. 5 people have died on the same section in one year & its the same scenario every time.
The fact that the other car was pushed into the oncoming traffic probably indicates that the pushed driver had their wheels on lock whilst waiting. A very common error thats not taught to anybody but a big life safer in rear end collisions. Keep your wheels pointing forward until you pull away.
So who's fault?
Driver 1 For looking at his speedo?
Driver 2 Who was hit with his wheels on lock waiting to turn right?
I ask the question:
Who does NOT check their speedo when passing a speed camera & check it has'nt gone off?, thats eyes off the road time usually at a dangerous junction.
Yes we experienced drivers can judge our speed, glance at our speedos in an instant, but for many drivers taking their eyes off the road is a big problem, especiaially newbies.
Check mirror, check speedo, bang, of course it's a possibilty.
My mate suffered a very similar incident, rear ended by a transit at 50mph on the A3 southound at Hindhead, single lane bit if you know it. 5 people have died on the same section in one year & its the same scenario every time.
The fact that the other car was pushed into the oncoming traffic probably indicates that the pushed driver had their wheels on lock whilst waiting. A very common error thats not taught to anybody but a big life safer in rear end collisions. Keep your wheels pointing forward until you pull away.
So who's fault?
Driver 1 For looking at his speedo?
Driver 2 Who was hit with his wheels on lock waiting to turn right?
I ask the question:
Who does NOT check their speedo when passing a speed camera & check it has'nt gone off?, thats eyes off the road time usually at a dangerous junction.
gone said:
He was hardly lkely to say he was watching the blonde with big hooters walking on the footpath and thats why he hit the car turning right.
Yes it's a fair point, I really must put more effort into my observation skills. The business of spotting the curvy cuties is fine, it's very seldom I fail to see them. The trouble is that the damned cameras are so much less appealing. I shall just have to persevere with that one.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Piccy Mate said:
Now he may be homicidal for driving at 50mph in a residential area
I know this road, it's about 5 minutes drive away from my house, he would have been heading into Pershore from Evesham, so will have just been travelling at NSL (read that as you will, but I know very few people who treat that section of NSL as 60!!!)... There is a drop to 50 and it's a straight stretch of road with a couple of dips, there is NO way that you could be travelling at 50 on the nose down this piece of road and manage to run into someone in the time it takes to check the speedo, unless you were stuffed far enough up their arse to be sat on the back seat and they performed an emergency stop!
I appreciate that drivers from this area are typically of the older generation, and (to stereotype massively) are rather unpredictable as far as their driving is concerned, but I've never seen any of them perform an emergency stop for a right turn! It's more likely that they'd been on the brakes for the last 200 hundred yards trying to remember where the turning is!
"I looked down at my speedo.... " Bollox, you were messing around with someone/thing in your car and crashed...
slinky
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