Stoner signs for RBRAU but not without dig @ MotoGP fans?!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/21220542
It wouldn't be the Spainish fans he's on about would it?
It wouldn't be the Spainish fans he's on about would it?
Dancin said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/21220542
It wouldn't be the Spainish fans he's on about would it?
UK (so called) fans weren't particularly respectful of him. Pretty sure the booed him on the podium and/or at the day of champions charity day which is pretty unforgivable. It wouldn't be the Spainish fans he's on about would it?
Dare2Fail said:
UK (so called) fans weren't particularly respectful of him. Pretty sure the booed him on the podium and/or at the day of champions charity day which is pretty unforgivable.
He also had a moan about hordes of "Grandmothers with their grandchildren" giving him the one handed W..... salute at Donnington MOTOGP. Great work by all concerned.Sadly work problems thwarted my own plan to burn a 10 ft kangaroo at Cheste on his retirement.
Respect is something you have to earn, it is not automatically awarded. As a longtime MOTOGP fan I have zero respect for Moaner, apart from his personality issues he had a nice wild riding style, but only won when the then new 800cc Ducati had a massive power advantage, or on an equally dominant Honda against the Repsol spoilt Spanish dwarf Pedrosa. Most of the fanatical adoration comes from his own countrymen, enough said.
For me the lad his career was defined by Rossi's stuffing of him at the Corkscrew, he simply lacks the balls for the red hot fight at the front.
Dare2Fail said:
UK (so called) fans weren't particularly respectful of him. Pretty sure the booed him on the podium and/or at the day of champions charity day which is pretty unforgivable.
To be fair though, he was the catalyst for this reaction but the story is an interesting look into his mindset. During his superteen years over here, he never used to wave to the fans, when it was suggested he should, he said he didnt want to as he would feel like a dick and was embarrassed.Okay he made the rod for his own back, but the lambasting of him just because he was better than most, is ridiculous
998420 said:
He also had a moan about hordes of "Grandmothers with their grandchildren" giving him the one handed W..... salute at Donnington MOTOGP. Great work by all concerned.
Sadly work problems thwarted my own plan to burn a 10 ft kangaroo at Cheste on his retirement.
Respect is something you have to earn, it is not automatically awarded. As a longtime MOTOGP fan I have zero respect for Moaner, apart from his personality issues he had a nice wild riding style, but only won when the then new 800cc Ducati had a massive power advantage, or on an equally dominant Honda against the Repsol spoilt Spanish dwarf Pedrosa. Most of the fanatical adoration comes from his own countrymen, enough said.
For me the lad his career was defined by Rossi's stuffing of him at the Corkscrew, he simply lacks the balls for the red hot fight at the front.
The irony being, that the attitude shown in this post is exactly what he wanted to get away from.Sadly work problems thwarted my own plan to burn a 10 ft kangaroo at Cheste on his retirement.
Respect is something you have to earn, it is not automatically awarded. As a longtime MOTOGP fan I have zero respect for Moaner, apart from his personality issues he had a nice wild riding style, but only won when the then new 800cc Ducati had a massive power advantage, or on an equally dominant Honda against the Repsol spoilt Spanish dwarf Pedrosa. Most of the fanatical adoration comes from his own countrymen, enough said.
For me the lad his career was defined by Rossi's stuffing of him at the Corkscrew, he simply lacks the balls for the red hot fight at the front.
998420 said:
He also had a moan about hordes of "Grandmothers with their grandchildren" giving him the one handed W..... salute at Donnington MOTOGP. Great work by all concerned.
Sadly work problems thwarted my own plan to burn a 10 ft kangaroo at Cheste on his retirement.
Respect is something you have to earn, it is not automatically awarded. As a longtime MOTOGP fan I have zero respect for Moaner, apart from his personality issues he had a nice wild riding style, but only won when the then new 800cc Ducati had a massive power advantage, or on an equally dominant Honda against the Repsol spoilt Spanish dwarf Pedrosa. Most of the fanatical adoration comes from his own countrymen, enough said.
For me the lad his career was defined by Rossi's stuffing of him at the Corkscrew, he simply lacks the balls for the red hot fight at the front.
A long time MotoGP fan who seems to have very little grasp for the sport, and very little respect for at least two of the best in the world over the last few years. Impressive. Sadly work problems thwarted my own plan to burn a 10 ft kangaroo at Cheste on his retirement.
Respect is something you have to earn, it is not automatically awarded. As a longtime MOTOGP fan I have zero respect for Moaner, apart from his personality issues he had a nice wild riding style, but only won when the then new 800cc Ducati had a massive power advantage, or on an equally dominant Honda against the Repsol spoilt Spanish dwarf Pedrosa. Most of the fanatical adoration comes from his own countrymen, enough said.
For me the lad his career was defined by Rossi's stuffing of him at the Corkscrew, he simply lacks the balls for the red hot fight at the front.
Life Saab Itch said:
More irony than an ironmongers.
You mean YOU will not miss him.
I shall certainly miss his style.
I take it thats Philip Island? He was in a class of one last year round there I shall also miss him no one else can ride that track like stoner can Moto GP will not be the same.You mean YOU will not miss him.
I shall certainly miss his style.
Dare2Fail said:
A long time MotoGP fan who seems to have very little grasp for the sport, and very little respect for at least two of the best in the world over the last few years. Impressive.
How exactly does daring to have an opinion equate to "very little grasp for the sport"Or is it just daring to disagree with you ?
I am not exactly the only person to fine Moaner a very dislikeable person, nor am I the first to point out that pedrosa has been spoilt for years by the Spanish run MOTOGP series, getting the very best bikes, while consistently failing to deliver. He is only there because of his Passport, yes, like moaner, he is very good, but, neither of them are "the best", nor are they automatically deserving of my respect.
No one is the 'best'
Whilst I fully understand people who dislike an individual due to personality, character or just following the trend of everyone disliking them as it's easier than having an individual opinion, what I think is sad from any proclaimed fan of the sport is to just dismiss without any note certain riders achievements.
It was just the bike, it was just the tyres, it was just a Wednesday, it was a wet race, it was a new track etc etc etc YAWN
These are the hardest bikes in the world to ride, they are on a grid with a selection of the worlds greatest riders in a show spanning the globe. To win 1 race in itself is a significant achievement and many riders would be happy with that, to win a handful, even a championship is an outstanding achievement. Multpile race and championship winners from each of the classes should be regarded with a level of some respect for their achievements.
Max Biaggi is not everyones 'cup of tea', however to deny he has an outstanding talent and has achieved success beyond what most riders will ever see is to be blind and plain stubborn. It is the same for those who dislike Stoner, they just find every reason to diminish his achievements and rubbish his success.
Blinkered. It is the consequence of personality in sport being equally a important or more so to some fans than the racing itself. However, many will say it is a new invention, however it isn't. It has been a part of racing for decades and the crowds remain partisan and it is why I love the sport so much.
Stoner rode the bike like no one else, Marquez will be the nearest to Stoner in style from the footage I've watched from Valencia, so I look forward to this young lad in MGP. But I am sad Stoner chose to leave so soon, he was epic to watch on a bike and to see anyone ride the worlds most difficult to ride bikes as aggressively, with such a single minded attitude to winning was refreshing in a sport dominated by personalities, style and PR spin.
I, like many here have travelled to watch racing in many other countries in Europe, the atmosphere is different to the UK crowds. I was ashamed when at Brands Kiyo was boo'ed for winning BSB, I was ashamed at Donington to hear the crowd booing Stoner, it is crying shame that a sport we are all supposed to enjoy and support finds this kind of behaviour acceptable. It is not football.
Many credit this change to Rossi fans who were never fans of the sport before he arrived, perhaps this is true, in many ways Rossi has done more for the sport than any other rider of his generation in terms of exposure. Again like many here I've been stood at a windswept Donington with 16k other people to watch the GP and seen it grow back to 80K+ crowds, but with it has come an element of the crowd that I am less inclined to want to talk to.
My experience at other circuits in Europe, including all the GP races Italy for example is that the crowd is incredibly partisan, I've seen Rossi win in Italy, but I've also seen him lose to Stoner, Pedrosa etc and each of them was applauded on the cool down lap. They appreciated the gladitorial battle, the skill, the effort, the risks taken and then they applauded them respectfully, louder for the favourites, but still they respect the racers.
Not the British, we just boo and shout abuse because it's not our favourite. The crowd boo'ed him at the Day of Champions, the charity event, WTF! I was ashamed to be at Silverstone when they cheered when Lorenzo crashed . .
So when I read another post of dismissive vitriol I wonder whether the individual really has considered what it takes for anyone to win at that level and whether his favourites would have looked half as good if Stoner hadn't been on the grid to push them.
It's why I'd prefer to go and see MGP anywhere else other than Britain; Silverstone is agod awful place anyway for watching bike racing, but the atmosphere is not as good as any race I've been too in Europe.
This is so far off topic now
Whilst I fully understand people who dislike an individual due to personality, character or just following the trend of everyone disliking them as it's easier than having an individual opinion, what I think is sad from any proclaimed fan of the sport is to just dismiss without any note certain riders achievements.
It was just the bike, it was just the tyres, it was just a Wednesday, it was a wet race, it was a new track etc etc etc YAWN
These are the hardest bikes in the world to ride, they are on a grid with a selection of the worlds greatest riders in a show spanning the globe. To win 1 race in itself is a significant achievement and many riders would be happy with that, to win a handful, even a championship is an outstanding achievement. Multpile race and championship winners from each of the classes should be regarded with a level of some respect for their achievements.
Max Biaggi is not everyones 'cup of tea', however to deny he has an outstanding talent and has achieved success beyond what most riders will ever see is to be blind and plain stubborn. It is the same for those who dislike Stoner, they just find every reason to diminish his achievements and rubbish his success.
Blinkered. It is the consequence of personality in sport being equally a important or more so to some fans than the racing itself. However, many will say it is a new invention, however it isn't. It has been a part of racing for decades and the crowds remain partisan and it is why I love the sport so much.
Stoner rode the bike like no one else, Marquez will be the nearest to Stoner in style from the footage I've watched from Valencia, so I look forward to this young lad in MGP. But I am sad Stoner chose to leave so soon, he was epic to watch on a bike and to see anyone ride the worlds most difficult to ride bikes as aggressively, with such a single minded attitude to winning was refreshing in a sport dominated by personalities, style and PR spin.
I, like many here have travelled to watch racing in many other countries in Europe, the atmosphere is different to the UK crowds. I was ashamed when at Brands Kiyo was boo'ed for winning BSB, I was ashamed at Donington to hear the crowd booing Stoner, it is crying shame that a sport we are all supposed to enjoy and support finds this kind of behaviour acceptable. It is not football.
Many credit this change to Rossi fans who were never fans of the sport before he arrived, perhaps this is true, in many ways Rossi has done more for the sport than any other rider of his generation in terms of exposure. Again like many here I've been stood at a windswept Donington with 16k other people to watch the GP and seen it grow back to 80K+ crowds, but with it has come an element of the crowd that I am less inclined to want to talk to.
My experience at other circuits in Europe, including all the GP races Italy for example is that the crowd is incredibly partisan, I've seen Rossi win in Italy, but I've also seen him lose to Stoner, Pedrosa etc and each of them was applauded on the cool down lap. They appreciated the gladitorial battle, the skill, the effort, the risks taken and then they applauded them respectfully, louder for the favourites, but still they respect the racers.
Not the British, we just boo and shout abuse because it's not our favourite. The crowd boo'ed him at the Day of Champions, the charity event, WTF! I was ashamed to be at Silverstone when they cheered when Lorenzo crashed . .
So when I read another post of dismissive vitriol I wonder whether the individual really has considered what it takes for anyone to win at that level and whether his favourites would have looked half as good if Stoner hadn't been on the grid to push them.
It's why I'd prefer to go and see MGP anywhere else other than Britain; Silverstone is agod awful place anyway for watching bike racing, but the atmosphere is not as good as any race I've been too in Europe.
This is so far off topic now
How anyone can say Danny Pedrosa doesn't deserve his ride in Moto GP is a complete mystery to me
He's consistently performed at the very top level in 990, 800 and 1000...
He's never won the championship.... Big deal, Capirossi, Biaggi, Checa, Edwards, Barros, Mamola and a whole host of top level riders, on the best kit never won it either...
He's consistently performed at the very top level in 990, 800 and 1000...
He's never won the championship.... Big deal, Capirossi, Biaggi, Checa, Edwards, Barros, Mamola and a whole host of top level riders, on the best kit never won it either...
Talented rider but unloved by a majority of fans.I lost a lot of respect after the Laguna battle with Rossi.The greatest fight Moto GP had seen in years and all he could do was winge about losing.
To have a dig at the fans after he has left the sport will just confirm a lot of peoples thoughts about the guy.
Slightly O/T but Although a devout Yamaha fan I am seriously looking forward to Marquez joining the grid this year.
I know he will undoubtedly upset many riders,and some fans,with his uncompromising style but I like him a lot.A true racer.
To have a dig at the fans after he has left the sport will just confirm a lot of peoples thoughts about the guy.
Slightly O/T but Although a devout Yamaha fan I am seriously looking forward to Marquez joining the grid this year.
I know he will undoubtedly upset many riders,and some fans,with his uncompromising style but I like him a lot.A true racer.
So he's prepared to say what anyone in his position would be thinking. . . It's a world of PR spin and a bloke who has the balls to stand up and say what should be said loses him respect.
For me he was refreshing as he was prepared to say what he thought rather than what he thought the viewers wanted to hear, the irony is that caused him more issues when it should have gained him more respect.
Certainly for me when the head of Honda was in tears at his leaving do, having offered him more money to stay than any rider in the history of the sport tells me more about what the people who really understand the sport thought of his talents than any forum contribution which just seeks to dismiss any of his success. Certainly when it's based on what he says about the fans treatment of him.
I watch the racing, but I'm sure some people would rather just watch the interviews at the end.
For me he was refreshing as he was prepared to say what he thought rather than what he thought the viewers wanted to hear, the irony is that caused him more issues when it should have gained him more respect.
Certainly for me when the head of Honda was in tears at his leaving do, having offered him more money to stay than any rider in the history of the sport tells me more about what the people who really understand the sport thought of his talents than any forum contribution which just seeks to dismiss any of his success. Certainly when it's based on what he says about the fans treatment of him.
I watch the racing, but I'm sure some people would rather just watch the interviews at the end.
Johno said:
So he's prepared to say what anyone in his position would be thinking. . . It's a world of PR spin and a bloke who has the balls to stand up and say what should be said loses him respect.
For me he was refreshing as he was prepared to say what he thought rather than what he thought the viewers wanted to hear, the irony is that caused him more issues when it should have gained him more respect.
Certainly for me when the head of Honda was in tears at his leaving do, having offered him more money to stay than any rider in the history of the sport tells me more about what the people who really understand the sport thought of his talents than any forum contribution which just seeks to dismiss any of his success. Certainly when it's based on what he says about the fans treatment of him.
I watch the racing, but I'm sure some people would rather just watch the interviews at the end.
And Nakamoto-sans QuoteFor me he was refreshing as he was prepared to say what he thought rather than what he thought the viewers wanted to hear, the irony is that caused him more issues when it should have gained him more respect.
Certainly for me when the head of Honda was in tears at his leaving do, having offered him more money to stay than any rider in the history of the sport tells me more about what the people who really understand the sport thought of his talents than any forum contribution which just seeks to dismiss any of his success. Certainly when it's based on what he says about the fans treatment of him.
I watch the racing, but I'm sure some people would rather just watch the interviews at the end.
'My riders are paid to win races, nothing else, if we sell some bikes and a few t shirts because of that, great, but my riders are paid to win'
I think, more than anyone, Nakamoto understood stoner, ironically, just as Burgess did Doohan, they have one simple mentality, win, they come to a circuit to do a job, which is win, not prance around like a fairy, like it or not the expectation for gimmicks & PR appearances everywhere has come from VR, he drove that aspect of the sport, to his own huge financial game, very clever, but you have to wonder if he turns sometimes and wonders at what his fans say?
And it's not just CS27 they have turned on, it's Biaggi, Gibernau, Lorenzo, Pedrosa and already Marquez is having it.
Rossi is a true great, not the goat like some say, but certainly one of the best of all time, as I rider I respect him greatly, it's the rest of it I don't admire.
Moaning about t
ttish fans is like you or I moaning about getting out of bed on a cold morning to go to work. Tough st, same for everyone, cry me a river.
As they say in australia, he needs to drink a cup of concrete and harden the fk up. And oh boy he's gonna be hearing that some unless he drops the daddy-won't-buy-me-a-pony attitude everytime he doesn't win.
ttish fans is like you or I moaning about getting out of bed on a cold morning to go to work. Tough st, same for everyone, cry me a river.As they say in australia, he needs to drink a cup of concrete and harden the f
k up. And oh boy he's gonna be hearing that some unless he drops the daddy-won't-buy-me-a-pony attitude everytime he doesn't win.Gassing Station | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff