Dual mass flywheel welding
Dual mass flywheel welding
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merculation

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51 posts

178 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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I have. 2003 Mazda 6 which the dual mass flywheel has failed on, i don't want to spend a lot of money on it, and a new flywheel is close to £500, is it possible to weld the dual mass fly wheel solid to stop the plates from moving?

Megaflow

11,581 posts

255 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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yikes

MysteryLemon

4,968 posts

221 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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May be possible to convert it to a single flywheel. Seen it before on other makes of car where the owner has used the flywheel/clutch from an older model using the same engine. No idea if there is a Mazda solution available or not though.

McSam

6,753 posts

205 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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Megaflow said:
yikes
My reaction too!

While I've never heard of this before, I can't imagine the answer ever being "yes"..

Converting to a one-piece flywheel would be the best route.

mnkiboy

4,409 posts

196 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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I'm guessing that unless you're very accurate with your welding, you'll end up with a vibration that feels like you're driving a washing machine.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

285 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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No, absolutely not. The flywheel is made from cast iron, which is a difficult material to weld for starters. Introducing additional stress into the flywheel may also persuade it that the outside of the bellhousing is a better place to be at high RPM.

J4CKO

46,969 posts

230 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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Wouldnt have thougth so, not in a cost effective manner that could be guaranteed, by the time you take in labour costs the flywheel is only part of the cost and having to get it welded and potentially have to take ti out if the welds give then buy another flywheel and put that back is too much if a risk I would say.

ajb85

1,124 posts

172 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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They're too torquey for single fly wheels.

intrepid44

691 posts

230 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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Megaflow said:
yikes
+1000000

Sump

5,512 posts

197 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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Why do people run cars they can't afford? It just boggles the mind!

thescamper

920 posts

256 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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Sump said:
Why do people run cars they can't afford? It just boggles the mind!
WOW what did the OP do to deserve that sort of remark.

excel monkey

4,797 posts

257 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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Sump said:
Why do people run cars they can't afford? It just boggles the mind!
What an odd comment.

It's hard to avoid DMFs on modern cars. A 10 year old Mazda6 is hardly an extravagant exotic car.

ajb85

1,124 posts

172 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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An 03 Mazda 6 is worth toss all on the grand scheme, DMF replacement will cost over £1000. My advice would be to limp it to a garage and get the thing part exchanged.

C.A.R.

3,993 posts

218 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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Sump said:
Why do people run cars they can't afford? It just boggles the mind!
Not really.

It's over-complication of components you would expect to be long-lasting which actually expire long before the rest of the car and require replacement - sometimes at a greater cost than the car itself.

Mazda 6s are cheap cheap, but I still wouldn't like to see what might happen if you tried bodging a DMF together!

robinessex

12,031 posts

211 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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I'm guessing it's a 6 cyl engine. They have perfect primary and secondary balance, so the flywheel isn't helping there. I'm guessing it's for torsional vibration purposes, so changing to a straight type flywheel, you probably won't notice any difference. But, there always is one, if it's there to damp or shift the torsion vibration frequency of the crankshaft, then it's possible the crankshaft may suffer a fatigue failure, if it now runs at one of it's harmonic frequencies fairly often. Motorway cruising?

Speed addicted

6,329 posts

257 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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ajb85 said:
An 03 Mazda 6 is worth toss all on the grand scheme, DMF replacement will cost over £1000. My advice would be to limp it to a garage and get the thing part exchanged.
This. If you really love it see if another flywheel is available used.

HustleRussell

26,583 posts

190 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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The reason you don't weld them:
a DMF kit permits a degree of torsional deflection by having a sprung flywheel. The clutch plate itself has very limited torsional deflection as it is designed to work with the flywheel.
an SMF kit has a solid flywheel but a much more sprung friction plate which permits the deflection.
A solid flywheel and a clutch plate with little/no 'spring' will result in a very nasty driving experience indeed.

excel monkey

4,797 posts

257 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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robinessex said:
I'm guessing it's a 6 cyl engine. They have perfect primary and secondary balance, so the flywheel isn't helping there. I'm guessing it's for torsional vibration purposes, so changing to a straight type flywheel, you probably won't notice any difference. But, there always is one, if it's there to damp or shift the torsion vibration frequency of the crankshaft, then it's possible the crankshaft may suffer a fatigue failure, if it now runs at one of it's harmonic frequencies fairly often. Motorway cruising?
Nope. Mazda6 had four cylinder engines only.

y2blade

56,321 posts

245 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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intrepid44 said:
Megaflow said:
yikes
+1000000
nono
unbelievable isn't it!!!

sc0tt

18,296 posts

231 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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I had to pay £434 for a flywheel for my 328i Sport.

I nearly passed out.