Premium for a dealer car? Squeezing prices...
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Having just gone through an extensive search for a V8V and then various negotiations with franchised and non-franchised dealers, I can confirm that bomber's post above is spot on (in my experience!). This may not matter to you, but I was always dealt with very courteously by AM dealers. Non AM dealers have ranged from fantastic service to downright rude. Also don’t forget that a number of non AM dealers are not selling you their car, again, that may not matter to you.
Cheers
Gerry
Cheers
Gerry
Edited by Gerrym11 on Monday 4th February 10:23
wasn't my experience but there you go.
i think it would relate to what stock they have at any given time(if long they would prefer to see them off but if short they wont want to do that), what car you are bidding on (if they have had it for a while they will take a bid to move it on), cash flow of the dealership at the time (if low they will want to pay bills)
getting a good deal doesn't always mean lots off the price. extended warranty, some mats, a cover, free next service etc are all things that have a larger value to you than they do to them so can often be negotiated into the deal.
i think it would relate to what stock they have at any given time(if long they would prefer to see them off but if short they wont want to do that), what car you are bidding on (if they have had it for a while they will take a bid to move it on), cash flow of the dealership at the time (if low they will want to pay bills)
getting a good deal doesn't always mean lots off the price. extended warranty, some mats, a cover, free next service etc are all things that have a larger value to you than they do to them so can often be negotiated into the deal.
Thanks guys, well, I may be part exing, so, the real price is the spread not the outrights, so i imagine thats where the wiggle room may be.
How about percieved pricing difference for private, random garage, indie, main dealer etc.
So far, for the record, i have found the main dealer very polite, curtious and friendly.
How about percieved pricing difference for private, random garage, indie, main dealer etc.
So far, for the record, i have found the main dealer very polite, curtious and friendly.
I bought from Stratstone. Very happy with the car / service. They say the prices are not negotiable and they price the vehicles to sell. They did not move with me (I did try) and I think this is the same for others. They will throw in extra warranty etc. From looking at their current stock it is in the main well priced. The apparent expectations of private sellers or non franchises / non specialist dealers do seem odd when I look in autotrader. This seems especially so with the early cars. Who knows what discounts are involved, but if someone's view is that the car they have is worth more than the same car from an Aston Dealer then in my view they are not going to get any calls! Mine has had a chunk of work done by Stratstone post sale ( not a question or a flinch, simply when can we collect it) and this has a value.
jeremydb9 said:
I bought from Stratstone. Very happy with the car / service. They say the prices are not negotiable and they price the vehicles to sell. They did not move with me (I did try) and I think this is the same for others. They will throw in extra warranty etc. From looking at their current stock it is in the main well priced. The apparent expectations of private sellers or non franchises / non specialist dealers do seem odd when I look in autotrader. This seems especially so with the early cars. Who knows what discounts are involved, but if someone's view is that the car they have is worth more than the same car from an Aston Dealer then in my view they are not going to get any calls! Mine has had a chunk of work done by Stratstone post sale ( not a question or a flinch, simply when can we collect it) and this has a value.
Well, quite, so the private sales at the same price or 1k less seem expensive when you consider its likely i could get a free service or an extend to two year warranty and piece of mind plus the 'main dealer experience'.the bills can get big. Bear in mind the dealer will not pay the true labour cost ... but you will!
My car pre sale had service, bits of paint, new disks, new pads, new tyres, wheel refinish, and sundry other stuff. The dealer prep bill ( including labour) was £7k. True cost to them probably £3k.
Post sale - new rear screen (some bars on heat not working), 2 new door modules (car not locking properly) and a series of other bits. Dealer bill £3000 odd, per the bill ( not down to me) there cost probably £1500 odd?).
100% of everything works, most consumables like tyres are new, the car has a 24 month warranty with it ( £3k to you and me). The car was 2 owner, £40k miles So.... it you bought privately the car may or may not need this list of stuff doing, but if you were paying, new parts (not second hand etc) overall including the warranty there is a £13k difference. Now you could mitigate this to a point with second hand parts, use a specialist etc. but either way why make it your problem? Oh, and you get a free factory tour, and the gave the kids hot chocolate and offered them a snack ( in deference to their showroom I declined as my 2 and 5 year old are capable or making it look like a scene from jungle book).
I have no problem buying a car privately, but when the car has the opportunity for big bills and unlike a BMW cannot be fixed at any corner garage and there are (in general) not huge sources of pattern parts there must be a decent price differential.
My car pre sale had service, bits of paint, new disks, new pads, new tyres, wheel refinish, and sundry other stuff. The dealer prep bill ( including labour) was £7k. True cost to them probably £3k.
Post sale - new rear screen (some bars on heat not working), 2 new door modules (car not locking properly) and a series of other bits. Dealer bill £3000 odd, per the bill ( not down to me) there cost probably £1500 odd?).
100% of everything works, most consumables like tyres are new, the car has a 24 month warranty with it ( £3k to you and me). The car was 2 owner, £40k miles So.... it you bought privately the car may or may not need this list of stuff doing, but if you were paying, new parts (not second hand etc) overall including the warranty there is a £13k difference. Now you could mitigate this to a point with second hand parts, use a specialist etc. but either way why make it your problem? Oh, and you get a free factory tour, and the gave the kids hot chocolate and offered them a snack ( in deference to their showroom I declined as my 2 and 5 year old are capable or making it look like a scene from jungle book).
I have no problem buying a car privately, but when the car has the opportunity for big bills and unlike a BMW cannot be fixed at any corner garage and there are (in general) not huge sources of pattern parts there must be a decent price differential.
the bills can get big. Bear in mind the dealer will not pay the true labour cost ... but you will!
My car pre sale had service, bits of paint, new disks, new pads, new tyres, wheel refinish, and sundry other stuff. The dealer prep bill ( including labour) was £7k. True cost to them probably £3k.
Post sale - new rear screen (some bars on heat not working), 2 new door modules (car not locking properly) and a series of other bits. Dealer bill £3000 odd, per the bill ( not down to me) there cost probably £1500 odd?).
100% of everything works, most consumables like tyres are new, the car has a 24 month warranty with it ( £3k to you and me). The car was 2 owner, £40k miles So.... it you bought privately the car may or may not need this list of stuff doing, but if you were paying, new parts (not second hand etc) overall including the warranty there is a £13k difference. Now you could mitigate this to a point with second hand parts, use a specialist etc. but either way why make it your problem? Oh, and you get a free factory tour, and the gave the kids hot chocolate and offered them a snack ( in deference to their showroom I declined as my 2 and 5 year old are capable or making it look like a scene from jungle book).
I have no problem buying a car privately, but when the car has the opportunity for big bills and unlike a BMW cannot be fixed at any corner garage and there are (in general) not huge sources of pattern parts there must be a decent price differential.
My car pre sale had service, bits of paint, new disks, new pads, new tyres, wheel refinish, and sundry other stuff. The dealer prep bill ( including labour) was £7k. True cost to them probably £3k.
Post sale - new rear screen (some bars on heat not working), 2 new door modules (car not locking properly) and a series of other bits. Dealer bill £3000 odd, per the bill ( not down to me) there cost probably £1500 odd?).
100% of everything works, most consumables like tyres are new, the car has a 24 month warranty with it ( £3k to you and me). The car was 2 owner, £40k miles So.... it you bought privately the car may or may not need this list of stuff doing, but if you were paying, new parts (not second hand etc) overall including the warranty there is a £13k difference. Now you could mitigate this to a point with second hand parts, use a specialist etc. but either way why make it your problem? Oh, and you get a free factory tour, and the gave the kids hot chocolate and offered them a snack ( in deference to their showroom I declined as my 2 and 5 year old are capable or making it look like a scene from jungle book).
I have no problem buying a car privately, but when the car has the opportunity for big bills and unlike a BMW cannot be fixed at any corner garage and there are (in general) not huge sources of pattern parts there must be a decent price differential.
jeremydb9 said:
I bought from Stratstone. Very happy with the car / service. They say the prices are not negotiable and they price the vehicles to sell. They did not move with me (I did try) and I think this is the same for others. They will throw in extra warranty etc. From looking at their current stock it is in the main well priced. The apparent expectations of private sellers or non franchises / non specialist dealers do seem odd when I look in autotrader. This seems especially so with the early cars. Who knows what discounts are involved, but if someone's view is that the car they have is worth more than the same car from an Aston Dealer then in my view they are not going to get any calls! Mine has had a chunk of work done by Stratstone post sale ( not a question or a flinch, simply when can we collect it) and this has a value.
I bought my first v8 from Stratstones and they didn't move on price. Last year I was looking at a V12V at one of the Stratstone dealerships - it was the right spec for me and it was a competitive price but the dealer was 200 miles away from me and I really wanted to buy locally. When it looked like my local dealer couldn't source the right car I went back to Stratstones, had another test drive and offered to buy the car there and then if they knocked off £500 (bearing in mind car was over £80k and it was in winter, so not expecting V12V to shift in volume at that time). I was amazed that they wouldn't move £500 when I was clear I'd leave a deposit, so I walked away - fate was on my side as the next day my local dealer found a car to fit my spec - ended up paying more but happier that I managed to buy it locally.Stratstones do seem to have a non-negotiable price policy.
ripley500 said:
I bought my first v8 from Stratstones and they didn't move on price. Last year I was looking at a V12V at one of the Stratstone dealerships - it was the right spec for me and it was a competitive price but the dealer was 200 miles away from me and I really wanted to buy locally. When it looked like my local dealer couldn't source the right car I went back to Stratstones, had another test drive and offered to buy the car there and then if they knocked off £500 (bearing in mind car was over £80k and it was in winter, so not expecting V12V to shift in volume at that time). I was amazed that they wouldn't move £500 when I was clear I'd leave a deposit, so I walked away - fate was on my side as the next day my local dealer found a car to fit my spec - ended up paying more but happier that I managed to buy it locally.
Stratstones do seem to have a non-negotiable price policy.
That is madness, what business would turn down an 80k sale for the sake of £500. They must have had 10 times that amount in profit as a minimum, surely?Stratstones do seem to have a non-negotiable price policy.
Similar story with Stratstones. Wouldn't budge on the price but I got heated seats, cruse control and the wind deflector thrown in. My V8VR was an ex demonstrator with 400 miles on it and 15k off the price to start with. I thought that was a good deal although I spent 20kk over my budget....just couldn't resist it!!
I did manage to secure a lower price (without a PX), but it was possibly because my transaction was at the end of a quarter. Perhaps there was some kind of sales incentive for the dealer, at that time.
The advertised price of the car was (strangely) reduced in the first week by £2,000, and I negotiated a further discount of £1,500, plus a complete panel respray.
The car is one of only a few with the specification that I wanted, so I was prepared to pay the full price anyway. Possibly the dealer might have realised this later, because the "full tank of petrol", became a dribble, and I am still looking for the customary bottle of champagne.
However, if you find the particular car that you really want Gibbon, that might be more important later on, than saving 2% on the price.
Good hunting.
Minor point guys, but you should ALWAYS check the spec of the advertised car - even at the Dealer where I bought mine. The advert in my case stated there were Stoneguards on the car. There weren't....so they put them on foc. Imagine that was a B&O system !!!!
Furthermore, I would argue that a good, strong, healthy relationship with the Dealer is CRUCIAL when owning these cars. You just never know when you will need their assistance - warranty item, service deals, p/x, next purchase.... No need for it to be an exclusive relationship either
Furthermore, I would argue that a good, strong, healthy relationship with the Dealer is CRUCIAL when owning these cars. You just never know when you will need their assistance - warranty item, service deals, p/x, next purchase.... No need for it to be an exclusive relationship either
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