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Thorny old subject- there are vast number of different brands , budget very cheap whatever.tyre choice is down to what youre going to be doing with you motor.If you dont do much mileage say under 5000 yr.why pay for expensive premuim brands some but not all will last 20k. 5years and you should replace tyres anyway.You can get reasonably price budget tyres. Now - which to buy,again depends what you want good all round performance,or dry grip.best if you find some body who has used the type of tyre on the car youve got,some tyres are completely unsuitable for some cars especially performance cars.
If you drive hard as I do and I also do track days,this is personal experience - thers a lot on nonsense talked about tyres, eg you need slicks or semi slicks for track use - rubbish youre not racing, and when I competed in club racing nobody used slicks.You drive the vehicle according to its ability and yours or you will be off the track in notime.I used on the last trackday at brands in Nov last year 3 different brands 2 kuma,1 haida,1 contnental.No problem except their now U/S.
This is never advised by experts?.If you can handle a car there should be no problem same on the road,obviously better to have same on each corner.Incidently having only had this car Focus ST170 for 5 months I can only comment on that tyres that Ive used. anyway ar far as Focus is concerned any of these brands plus marshalls, semex , federal, seem perfectly Ok.any comments would be welcome.
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If you drive hard as I do and I also do track days,this is personal experience - thers a lot on nonsense talked about tyres, eg you need slicks or semi slicks for track use - rubbish youre not racing, and when I competed in club racing nobody used slicks.You drive the vehicle according to its ability and yours or you will be off the track in notime.I used on the last trackday at brands in Nov last year 3 different brands 2 kuma,1 haida,1 contnental.No problem except their now U/S.
This is never advised by experts?.If you can handle a car there should be no problem same on the road,obviously better to have same on each corner.Incidently having only had this car Focus ST170 for 5 months I can only comment on that tyres that Ive used. anyway ar far as Focus is concerned any of these brands plus marshalls, semex , federal, seem perfectly Ok.any comments would be welcome.
e
Hi, I've just gone through the very same thoughts with replacements for me A4.
Tyres are a minefield of choices. My choice last year of Michellin Pilot 3's was a bad one, they wear really quickly to the point of hitting the wear indicators in 10k miles on the rear!
I'm going for Kuhmo KU39's this time as they're a fair bit cheaper but still good performance dry and wet and from a good manufacturer.
It's worth checking out Blackcircles.com and mytyres.com to see what offers they have and both sites have customer reviews for each tyre which helps a lot.
Tyres are a minefield of choices. My choice last year of Michellin Pilot 3's was a bad one, they wear really quickly to the point of hitting the wear indicators in 10k miles on the rear!
I'm going for Kuhmo KU39's this time as they're a fair bit cheaper but still good performance dry and wet and from a good manufacturer.
It's worth checking out Blackcircles.com and mytyres.com to see what offers they have and both sites have customer reviews for each tyre which helps a lot.
Prof Prolapse said:
I have just bought a set of "Runway Enduro 916+" tyres for my Z4. Allegedly they are carved from some sort of wood (or possibly from bigger, older tyres).
By choosing to not buy premium tyres, I saved £500 and will now be using this money to go to Le Mans and by simply adjusting my driving to suit lower rated tyres, I have thus far managed to also stave off death.
Has anybody else made this monumental discovery?
As long as all the pedestrians, cyclists and other drivers around you also know you've bought ditchfinders and adjust their propensity to step out without looking or turn right without checking their mirrors I reckon you're onto a real winner there.By choosing to not buy premium tyres, I saved £500 and will now be using this money to go to Le Mans and by simply adjusting my driving to suit lower rated tyres, I have thus far managed to also stave off death.
Has anybody else made this monumental discovery?
Personally I always buy premium tyres to allow me more margin for all the other idiots on the road, not because I couldn't drive on tyres with less grip.
ETA - caught you before your self delete!
Caulkhead said:
As long as all the pedestrians, cyclists and other drivers around you also know you've bought ditchfinders and adjust their propensity to step out without looking or turn right without checking their mirrors I reckon you're onto a real winner there.
Personally I always buy premium tyres to allow me more margin for all the other idiots on the road, not because I couldn't drive on tyres with less grip.
ETA - caught you before your self delete!
Bwahaha, Got me. I decided I didn't want the row! I have to respond now though! Personally I always buy premium tyres to allow me more margin for all the other idiots on the road, not because I couldn't drive on tyres with less grip.
ETA - caught you before your self delete!
I think ultimately it's all about how you perceive and calculate risk. I don't dispute stopping distance is less on better tyres, but it's quite artificially calculated so how applicable it is to the real world isn't so black and white.
As for the grip the rest of the time I think I can compensate to a large degree by driving within the limits of the tyres and not acting the goat.
Afterall, if safety was your main priority you'd have a car with even better brakes to reduce stopping distances, or one that let you sit higher up to offer better visibility, or one that could automatically detect pedestrians. Then there's the value of driver training, when was the last awareness course you attended? Etc.... You have to draw a line. I just draw mine a bit earlier at tyres.
What I do is legal and I'm confident I know the limits of my tyres. My observations are pretty decent (I'm due an assessment soon though). Yes I could stop better with better tyres, but not by what I would consider to be a huge amount, and certainly not by an amount which I consider to be a safety issue.
Any comments?
Well this is your first post ?
And chosen a 'Thorny old subject'?
And "thers a lot on nonsense talked about tyres, "
Interesting...
Well this is your first post ?
And chosen a 'Thorny old subject'?
And "thers a lot on nonsense talked about tyres, "
Interesting...
topcat100 said:
Thorny old subject-
there are vast number of different brands
thers a lot on nonsense talked about tyres,
any comments would be welcome.
e
there are vast number of different brands
thers a lot on nonsense talked about tyres,
any comments would be welcome.
e
Eighteeteewhy said:
Cheap tyres are fine until it rains/standing water.
I don't think thats a universal truth is it? The tread pattern on mine seems to be very biased towards the wet and they do quite well. Snow has been fine too. I couldn't comment on the dry as I've not seen it yet!
Caulkhead said:
Personally I always buy premium tyres to allow me more margin for all the other idiots on the road, not because I couldn't drive on tyres with less grip.
Completely agree with you. It always hurts a bit to pay the price but it's worth it.Someone above said Micelins wore out quickly. Well that's a bsolutely the opposite of my experience. I've found them to be expensive to buy but decent value over time because they last >25,000 miles. Can't help suspecting a "heavy right foot" issue if they were dead at 10k!
I've had cars with budget tyres and have always found them to be inferior to the more expensive named brands.
The MGF came with ditch finders fitted and in the dry it's nice and grippy, in the wet it's a twitchy mess!
I always fit good quailty tyres, cheap ones may be just fine 99% of the time but sometimes the 10 feet of extra wet braking may put you 5 feet into a bus.
Your experience may well vary, but I'll continue to fit good quality tyres to the cars and bikes. The same make/type gets fitted all round too.
The MGF came with ditch finders fitted and in the dry it's nice and grippy, in the wet it's a twitchy mess!
I always fit good quailty tyres, cheap ones may be just fine 99% of the time but sometimes the 10 feet of extra wet braking may put you 5 feet into a bus.
Your experience may well vary, but I'll continue to fit good quality tyres to the cars and bikes. The same make/type gets fitted all round too.
Prof Prolapse said:
Caulkhead said:
As long as all the pedestrians, cyclists and other drivers around you also know you've bought ditchfinders and adjust their propensity to step out without looking or turn right without checking their mirrors I reckon you're onto a real winner there.
Personally I always buy premium tyres to allow me more margin for all the other idiots on the road, not because I couldn't drive on tyres with less grip.
ETA - caught you before your self delete!
Bwahaha, Got me. I decided I didn't want the row! I have to respond now though! Personally I always buy premium tyres to allow me more margin for all the other idiots on the road, not because I couldn't drive on tyres with less grip.
ETA - caught you before your self delete!
I think ultimately it's all about how you perceive and calculate risk. I don't dispute stopping distance is less on better tyres, but it's quite artificially calculated so how applicable it is to the real world isn't so black and white.
As for the grip the rest of the time I think I can compensate to a large degree by driving within the limits of the tyres and not acting the goat.
Afterall, if safety was your main priority you'd have a car with even better brakes to reduce stopping distances, or one that let you sit higher up to offer better visibility, or one that could automatically detect pedestrians. Then there's the value of driver training, when was the last awareness course you attended? Etc.... You have to draw a line. I just draw mine a bit earlier at tyres.
What I do is legal and I'm confident I know the limits of my tyres. My observations are pretty decent (I'm due an assessment soon though). Yes I could stop better with better tyres, but not by what I would consider to be a huge amount, and certainly not by an amount which I consider to be a safety issue.
topcat100 said:
Thorny old subject- there are vast number of different brands , budget very cheap whatever.tyre choice is down to what youre going to be doing with you motor.If you dont do much mileage say under 5000 yr.why pay for expensive premuim brands some but not all will last 20k. 5years and you should replace tyres anyway.You can get reasonably price budget tyres. Now - which to buy,again depends what you want good all round performance,or dry grip.best if you find some body who has used the type of tyre on the car youve got,some tyres are completely unsuitable for some cars especially performance cars.
If you drive hard as I do and I also do track days,this is personal experience - thers a lot on nonsense talked about tyres, eg you need slicks or semi slicks for track use - rubbish youre not racing, and when I competed in club racing nobody used slicks.You drive the vehicle according to its ability and yours or you will be off the track in notime.I used on the last trackday at brands in Nov last year 3 different brands 2 kuma,1 haida,1 contnental.No problem except their now U/S.
This is never advised by experts?.If you can handle a car there should be no problem same on the road,obviously better to have same on each corner.Incidently having only had this car Focus ST170 for 5 months I can only comment on that tyres that Ive used. anyway ar far as Focus is concerned any of these brands plus marshalls, semex , federal, seem perfectly Ok.any comments would be welcome.
e
Does anyone actually know what that lot is asking ?If you drive hard as I do and I also do track days,this is personal experience - thers a lot on nonsense talked about tyres, eg you need slicks or semi slicks for track use - rubbish youre not racing, and when I competed in club racing nobody used slicks.You drive the vehicle according to its ability and yours or you will be off the track in notime.I used on the last trackday at brands in Nov last year 3 different brands 2 kuma,1 haida,1 contnental.No problem except their now U/S.
This is never advised by experts?.If you can handle a car there should be no problem same on the road,obviously better to have same on each corner.Incidently having only had this car Focus ST170 for 5 months I can only comment on that tyres that Ive used. anyway ar far as Focus is concerned any of these brands plus marshalls, semex , federal, seem perfectly Ok.any comments would be welcome.
e
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