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This looks nasty if you are a console gamer.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/GameStop-Xbox-720-Us...
Whilst the 2nd user PC game has been in many instances effectively cobbled, the console games have historically been
pro rata far more expensive , and continue to be so.
Should this be implemented for xboxes, surely other console makers will jump on the same bandwagon?
Also , if this does kill secondhand console games, will it kill the rental games market?
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/GameStop-Xbox-720-Us...
Whilst the 2nd user PC game has been in many instances effectively cobbled, the console games have historically been
pro rata far more expensive , and continue to be so.
Should this be implemented for xboxes, surely other console makers will jump on the same bandwagon?
Also , if this does kill secondhand console games, will it kill the rental games market?
TomN94 said:
How on earth could it tell if it is pre-owned?!
Each game will come with a one-use code or similar mechanism, rendering it useless to anyone else. Much like the way online passes and DLC codes work at the moment. They could allow you to buy an activation code, but you'd have little incentive to pay anyone for the disc if you had to then pay to activate the game too.
The publishers may want it, but they won't see any great surge in people buying their games. It will drive all game shops to the internet though and supermarkets will be the only place you can go and 'look' for games. I can't see prices dropping to PC game levels as the companies have come to expect the sort of prices they get for their console derivatives.
It just winds me up, it's like Ford making a Focus that will only start for the person that purchased it in the first place and ensuring you cannot sell it 2nd hand without them getting some money.
How is this even legal? Whatever else I buy in life is mine so why do games publishers think they can do this? I share games with my son, so if they do what they want, they will expect me to buy two copies! In fact, most of my sons games are my hand-me-downs.
If I am forced to buy two copies, I will just buy none, my son won't experience the games and he won't buy them when he gets older as he won't have got into them like he could have done. So not only will they lose a current sale, they will lose future ones as well.
Money grabbing b
ds! You already charge us twice as much as PC games!
In fact, lets try and play the discrimination card
How is this even legal? Whatever else I buy in life is mine so why do games publishers think they can do this? I share games with my son, so if they do what they want, they will expect me to buy two copies! In fact, most of my sons games are my hand-me-downs.
If I am forced to buy two copies, I will just buy none, my son won't experience the games and he won't buy them when he gets older as he won't have got into them like he could have done. So not only will they lose a current sale, they will lose future ones as well.
Money grabbing b
ds! You already charge us twice as much as PC games!In fact, lets try and play the discrimination card
Edited by :J: on Friday 15th February 12:30
:J: said:
It just winds me up, it's like Ford making a Focus that will only start for the person that purchased it in the first place and ensuring you cannot sell it 2nd hand without them getting some money.
How is this even legal? Whatever else I buy in life is mine so why do games publishers think they can do this? I share games with my son, so if they do what they want, they will expect me to buy two copies! In fact, most of my sons games are my hand-me-downs.
If I am forced to buy two copies, I will just buy none, my son won't experience the games and he won't buy them when he gets older as he won't have got into them like he could have done. So not only will they lose a current sale, they will lose future ones as well.
Money grabbing bds! You already charge us twice as much as PC games!
In fact, lets try and play the discrimination card
100% agree with this.How is this even legal? Whatever else I buy in life is mine so why do games publishers think they can do this? I share games with my son, so if they do what they want, they will expect me to buy two copies! In fact, most of my sons games are my hand-me-downs.
If I am forced to buy two copies, I will just buy none, my son won't experience the games and he won't buy them when he gets older as he won't have got into them like he could have done. So not only will they lose a current sale, they will lose future ones as well.
Money grabbing b
ds! You already charge us twice as much as PC games!In fact, lets try and play the discrimination card
Edited by :J: on Friday 15th February 12:30
It's the reason I'm still buying PS2 games & keeping them. I'm getting thoroughly sick of games companies milking people & it's going to end in tears. A lot of people rely on trading in games to fund new purchases & if they can't do that then they won't buy the new game. I love looking at the pre-owned shelves as I'm very tight!!
I've got a 5-year old lad who isn't massively into gaming yet. We've got him a Wii & have bought a few second hand games for him (Go Diego etc) which I don't object to paying £5-£10 for something he'll play a few times & then get bored of.
I would also love to know if this is even legal - just because someone says it's so it doesn't mean it's so.....
:J: said:
It just winds me up, it's like Ford making a Focus that will only start for the person that purchased it in the first place and ensuring you cannot sell it 2nd hand without them getting some money.
How is this even legal? Whatever else I buy in life is mine so why do games publishers think they can do this? I share games with my son, so if they do what they want, they will expect me to buy two copies! In fact, most of my sons games are my hand-me-downs.
If I am forced to buy two copies, I will just buy none, my son won't experience the games and he won't buy them when he gets older as he won't have got into them like he could have done. So not only will they lose a current sale, they will lose future ones as well.
Money grabbing bds! You already charge us twice as much as PC games!
In fact, lets try and play the discrimination card
I share your frustrations to a degree but that's not a good analogy. When you go to play.com or wander into GAME or whatever, and buy a game, you don't buy a game. You buy a licence to play that game. When you buy a car you own it, it's yours, you can modify it and sell it on as you wish. When you buy (correction; licence) a game you are paying for the right to use it within the conditions of the end-user licence agreement. This will contain lots of specifics and terms which may already state that the licence is non-transferrable, i.e. you can't sell or give it to someone else.How is this even legal? Whatever else I buy in life is mine so why do games publishers think they can do this? I share games with my son, so if they do what they want, they will expect me to buy two copies! In fact, most of my sons games are my hand-me-downs.
If I am forced to buy two copies, I will just buy none, my son won't experience the games and he won't buy them when he gets older as he won't have got into them like he could have done. So not only will they lose a current sale, they will lose future ones as well.
Money grabbing b
ds! You already charge us twice as much as PC games!In fact, lets try and play the discrimination card
Edited by :J: on Friday 15th February 12:30
The press seems to be portraying this as a blow to the games retailers, they currently are allowed to profit multiple times from the sale of one game, assuming someone buys it from one company then trades it in at a later date with the same company. I can see how the publishers don't want this but I don't see this as the ultimate intention. IMO what's happening here is the console makers and publishers pushing us down the road of online delivery of games, i.e. bought from the Playstation store or whatever the Xbox equivalent is, like many PC gamers already do with Steam, myself included. If anything I see this driving demand for better broadband up even further.
Personally? Meh. I prefer not to have boxes and discs occupying valuable cupboard space at home.
You can get a reasonable gaming pc for £499 without an operating system, these new consoles wont be far off when launched.
Add to pc games often on sale under £10 and pre buy discounts for new games, which even at full price are cheaper than consoles and i think alot of people will consider switching to PC or the steam gaming thing.
Not to mention that new games on the PSN store retail at £60.
Add to pc games often on sale under £10 and pre buy discounts for new games, which even at full price are cheaper than consoles and i think alot of people will consider switching to PC or the steam gaming thing.
Not to mention that new games on the PSN store retail at £60.
Mister V said:
I'm expecting both the new consoles to offer day and date digital versions of most if not all games, so I doubt I will be buying many disks at all.
At the moment the costs are exorbitant, £35 in the shops, or £59.99 on the PSN store? When there's a bit more parity I'll download, but for now I'm quite happy with the discs.Steve Evil said:
Mister V said:
I'm expecting both the new consoles to offer day and date digital versions of most if not all games, so I doubt I will be buying many disks at all.
At the moment the costs are exorbitant, £35 in the shops, or £59.99 on the PSN store? When there's a bit more parity I'll download, but for now I'm quite happy with the discs.So I have an xbox live family account using all 4 accounts. We have 2 360's in the house and games are saved to the cloud. Based on all this gossip I would potentially need to buy a game 8 copies of a game to enable all users to play the game on either console. Safe to say I won't bother with a 720 if this turns out to be true.
Already limited to 1 account for EA online the w&nkers.
Already limited to 1 account for EA online the w&nkers.
If this does occur (odds on it will) I forecast a drop in game sales, and a rise in cost of existing 2nd user games.
Infact, existing consoles are very likely to command a premium if sold. So hang on to them :-)
What this kind of thing does, is make you very wary about spending out on a new game. I've been a PC gamer since the 386.
Historically, if you bought a game that did not get addictive or interesting, you cut your losses and PX'd it for another choice.
No such option today. You look at things alot harder, make sure your spending on a winner . End result, you buy less games.
I have never bought a console, basically because they are tied in , in a proprietary manner, which is why the games have always been more expensive.
I can only see the greed of Sony and M'soft increasing, once they have a customer tied in, they will up the prices, as any monopoly tends to do.
So, should they do whats rumoured, keep your old games and consoles, and give serious thought to turning to PC. Open architecture, more adaptable,
more functions, *cheaper*
Infact, existing consoles are very likely to command a premium if sold. So hang on to them :-)
What this kind of thing does, is make you very wary about spending out on a new game. I've been a PC gamer since the 386.
Historically, if you bought a game that did not get addictive or interesting, you cut your losses and PX'd it for another choice.
No such option today. You look at things alot harder, make sure your spending on a winner . End result, you buy less games.
I have never bought a console, basically because they are tied in , in a proprietary manner, which is why the games have always been more expensive.
I can only see the greed of Sony and M'soft increasing, once they have a customer tied in, they will up the prices, as any monopoly tends to do.
So, should they do whats rumoured, keep your old games and consoles, and give serious thought to turning to PC. Open architecture, more adaptable,
more functions, *cheaper*
As of now all the "information" about the next gen consoles is just speculation. However, most new games already have some kind of protection in place. Every game I've bought in the past 12 months had a one use only code that allowed online play. So we're pretty much already half way there.
All the next gen stuff is going to really kick off soon, be interesting to see what Sony are going to say on the 20th.
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